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  • #11
    Well if you want to get technical, Erdei fought the "Undisputed" champ since the WBA and WBC were the two original titles and weren't unified until Jones did. He then also unified the IBF,which means he became the "undisputed"

    Either way, Jones was the man since Darius didn't want to fight him. Then it went to Tarver and then Hopkins.

    Though this bout, Archie Moore takes it.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by warp1432 View Post
      Well if you want to get technical, Erdei fought the "Undisputed" champ since the WBA and WBC were the two original titles and weren't unified until Jones did. He then also unified the IBF,which means he became the "undisputed"

      Either way, Jones was the man since Darius didn't want to fight him. Then it went to Tarver and then Hopkins.

      Though this bout, Archie Moore takes it.
      Roy Jones was definitely the best fighter at 175 since Michael Spinks, hands down. No doubt in my mind he would beat DM.

      Still DM was the champ, Gonzalez beat him, Erdei beat Gonzalez. Erdei is the champ.

      Jones got ALL his belts after the legit owners were stripped. Hill-DM was for WBA, IBF and WBO. The WBC stripped Rocchigianni, as you know, the WBC lost the lawsuits after that bull**** and almost went bankrupt.

      Jones won the ring belt, because he at some point unified those belts, who were taken off the legit owner(s). That does not make him lineal in any way.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by warp1432 View Post
        Jones was the man since Darius didn't want to fight him.
        Jones did not want to fight him either. Jones' reason was a very good one (not wanting to go to germany), but it hardly makes DM a ducker.

        As I said, no doubt here Jones would have beaten DM if they ever fought, but since they did not fight. Jones did not take DM's lineal title.

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        • #14
          Well yeah, but DM was at the Virgil Hill/Roy Jones fight wasn't he? He was there to check Jones out and then went back to germany and that was that.

          Though yeah. It sucks how Erdei is the "lineal" champion. Bernard is a much more deserving champion I would say and The Ring has enough crediblity to call their champions actually champions.

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          • #15
            Moore never beat any of the real big names...hopkins

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            • #16
              Originally posted by danny stash View Post
              Moore never beat any of the real big names...hopkins


              Joey Maxim? Yvon Durelle (x2)? Harold Johnson?

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              • #17
                I think I would go with the Archie. He's a natural LHW and/or HW. I think that the style and skill of Archie, plus his size, is to much for B-Hop. B-Hop can beat some of these LHW today, like Tarver, because he far better technically. He wouldn't be far better technically than Archie.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by warp1432 View Post


                  Joey Maxim? Yvon Durelle (x2)? Harold Johnson?
                  It always cracks me up that people think someone is a nobody just because they've never heard of them. Especially when we're talking about fighters from 50+ years ago and that person has probably been watching boxing for 6 months, without watching fights of the old greats, or doing any research.

                  I'd have to go with Moore, age for age, prime for prime, just too crafty for Hopkins.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by Jim Jeffries View Post
                    I'd have to go with Moore, age for age, prime for prime, just too crafty for Hopkins.
                    ** Just an update on this hypothetical matchup.

                    Can anyone imagine 43 yr old Archie Moore crawling around on the ring yelping like a dog for nigh on 10 minutes at various times trying to get Rocky DQed or subtracted a point deduction?

                    Anyone imagine Big George at age 49 or any age doing that?

                    Hoppy a guy modern boxing has been propping up for years telling us he was old school Philly tough, a throwback to Archie Moore, blah, blah, blah. Yet after 3 decent rounds against Calzaghe, Calslappy to his critics, Hoppy running like a dog, grabbing like John Ruiz's lover, and crawling on all fours yelping like a common cur at the kennel.

                    I've already picked Moore over Hoppy, but this modern hype and BS over these newagers has got to stop. Even his fanboy Kellerman was embarrassed to be interviewing him, Kellerman being the posterboy for a fancy empty suit.

                    Hoppy claims to be a promoter these days, so I hope he's ready for a lifetime of doggy acts to promote and I hope he pays them millions from his pocket like he got.

                    Just pitiable that he wants to be remembered this way after a good run in a weak era.

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                    • #20
                      Yes Moore was a far more accomplished light heavy than Hopkins. Stylistically at their best both were fantastic technicians. I'd say Hopkins had pound for pound the better chin and hand speed, Moore the greater punch power and possibly ring smarts. Both had great defense!

                      I wouldn't want to pick at light heavy, Hopkins is too inexperienced at the weight to form an opinion.

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