TYSON - Where did it all go wrong?

[metalinmybrain]

Where did it go wrong? I'm not really sure it actually went wrong. I don't even have Tyson in my top 12 and there's a reason for it. The Tyson everyone thinks "went wrong" was an illusion: He never actually existed. When you combine media hype with a fighter who gives people what they want (brutal KOs) you have the makings of a fantasy. Mike Tyson looked awesome knocking out tomato cans for most of his career. Fighters who generate lots of offense are invariably built up in people's minds into something greater than they really are. People LIKE offense and they like KOs. They WANT fighters like Tyson to be better than they really are. Tyson wasn't a Potemkin Village the way some over-hyped fighters are: There actually WAS some substance behind it; but he was never the unbeatable monster people built him up to be. He was a very good, very entertaining fighter who fought nearly up to, but not all the way, to his potential. He shouldn't be lamented for not remaining something he never was. Where things DID go wrong was in his personal life where his lack up self-control destroyed him not as a fighter but as a human being. THAT is what should be lamented because it's a sad, sad tale. I don't think Mike is a bad person but I think he never learned to control his base impulses. It truly is a shame and I pity him for what he COULD have been as a human being and what is now lost.

Poet

WOW, this guy said tomato cans but I can name about 50 for every great fighter that exist. Ali Marciano Louis Holmes Foreman etc they all faced bums if you will. To say all Tyson faced was tomato cans is a sure statement to the knowledge you have no clue of. Your way off idiot! Mentally is where Tyson went wrong, getting involved with the wrong people who influenced him of all the wrong things. Tyson himself said before all this **** happened his professional life never interfered with his personal that was until Givens and Don King stepped into the scene. Everyone wants a KO artist and that is the truth, going 12 rounds is just something the people do not want to see now a days or even in Tyson's era. When Cus passed away Tyson made a promise that he would become the champion of the world and no one would stand in his way, honestly I do believe if you put anyone and most in his way from the history of boxing and Tyson would have handled it with perfection. His style was suited for him and he used it very well.


P.s. I still can't get over how many idiots there are like you who claim Tyson fought nothing but bums when in fact all the great fighters in the history of boxing have faced them, that is what separates the best from the idiots like yourself!

[metalinmybrain]

Maybe roid rage And I aint talking about the cured by Preperation-H either LOL!

Poet

Yes the idiot comes back with roid rage! Why not jump onto the subject of Evander Holyfield if we are talking about roid rage! That guy jumped from into a heavier weight within months and we all know working out naturally doesn't cause that.

Where is the proof that Tyson even took roids idiot? He was 200 ****ing pounds at 15 years of age are you that ****ing thick headed kid?

[StarshipTrooper]

WOW, this guy said tomato cans but I can name about 50 for every great fighter that exist. Ali Marciano Louis Holmes Foreman etc they all faced bums if you will. To say all Tyson faced was tomato cans is a sure statement to the knowledge you have no clue of. Your way off idiot! Mentally is where Tyson went wrong, getting involved with the wrong people who influenced him of all the wrong things. Tyson himself said before all this **** happened his professional life never interfered with his personal that was until Givens and Don King stepped into the scene. Everyone wants a KO artist and that is the truth, going 12 rounds is just something the people do not want to see now a days or even in Tyson's era. When Cus passed away Tyson made a promise that he would become the champion of the world and no one would stand in his way, honestly I do believe if you put anyone and most in his way from the history of boxing and Tyson would have handled it with perfection. His style was suited for him and he used it very well.




P.s. I still can't get over how many idiots there are like you who claim Tyson fought nothing but bums when in fact all the great fighters in the history of boxing have faced them, that is what separates the best from the idiots like yourself!

On another thread you posted this:

"Please *******, first you don't even know how to spell so how in the hell are you to call yourself an expert? Second this boxing site is nothing more than a cheap shot imitation of the far better ones available. Third I know more about boxing than your ass can look up on GOOGLE! Lastly, I came onto this site to prove you idiots the real deal about boxing and that is what I am doing kid!

**** OFF KID!"

First off I also post on some of the forums you're refering to. I am a well respected member of them. Secondly, I've probably forgotten more about boxing than you're ever likely to know. I'm FAR from being a kid, in fact I'd hazzard to say I'm older than you and probably older than the vast majority of posters here.

Now, when Tyson was in his prime he faced three quality fighters: Bonecrusher Smith (who wouldn't fight), Tony Tucker (who broke his hand in the second round), and Razor Rudduck (who gave Tyson the two fights of his life). I never brought Marciano up, YOU did. I never argued that Marciano DIDN'T fight in a particularly weak era: He did. Ali, Louis, Holmes, and Foreman had, at least, a number of quality fighters on there resume; something Tyson (and yes, Marciano) lacked. Louis in particular seems to catch heat but he was fighting a dozen fights a year and when you fight THAT often you eventually run out of worthy challengers.

I stand by my assesment of that era of Heavyweight boxing: It was one of the worst I've ever seen. People such as yourself are on a campaign to make that era seem better than it was, all in an effort to make your boy Tyson look better than he was. It isn't going to happen because no matter how badly you want it, you can't make chicken salad out of chicken ****. Only a die hard Tyson nuthugger would try. You come across as a particularly obnoxious example of one of those: Someone who's OPINIONS may be safely disregarded.

Poet

[Hawkins]

On another thread you posted this:

"Please *******, first you don't even know how to spell so how in the hell are you to call yourself an expert? Second this boxing site is nothing more than a cheap shot imitation of the far better ones available. Third I know more about boxing than your ass can look up on GOOGLE! Lastly, I came onto this site to prove you idiots the real deal about boxing and that is what I am doing kid!

**** OFF KID!"

Check out his ramblings, and supposed knowledge, in the all-time light heavyweight and rocky marciano threads.

Along with most of his...ahem...assertations in this thread it should tell you all you need to know.

[StarshipTrooper]

Check out his ramblings, and supposed knowledge, in the all-time light heavyweight and rocky marciano threads.

Along with most of his...ahem...assertations in this thread it should tell you all you need to know.

Yeah, I just bitchslapped over on the Light-Heavy thread too.

Poet

[The Iron Man]

Of all those guys you mentioned - other than Lewis - none of them got completely dismantled by guys they were easily supposed to steamroll. Lewis got KO'd by two guys but he came back and rectified it. Tyson couldn't rectify his loss because the choices he made in life robbed him of that opprotunity.

The fact I'm trying to make is that Mike Tyson, although dominant in his era, lost two fights he was supposed to win. Got totally torn apart. Despite what alot of people assert these losses were in his prime years. He wasn't in shape? Whose fault would that be? No one else can make him train and that adds to the overall cloudiness of his legacy.

Everything you point to as excuses or reasons why such and such happened were all perpetuated because of Mike's own decisions. His demise is placed clearly in how own hands.

Tyson didnt have the chance to fight douglas again, but in the shape he was in it would of been an easy fight. Everyone knows the Art of Don King, he has done it to many other fighters and he hit tyson probably the worst..yes tyson chose his path, but he was usherd in by Don King, and Crushed by Robin givens!. Tyson was the most dominant of all the fighters in his era and most eras. In his years as champion he fought more people than Holyfield who was champ five times. He fought more than any other champion bar mayb Joe Louis, so you could say Poet that he also ran out of credible opponents. He wasnt in shape because he had awful trainers for one, and a ton of Yes men. I agree this is partly down to tyson but he wasnt as mentally strong as some other Boxers. But he had rooney and jacobs at the beginning who would comfort him, train him and not let him get into trouble.

[metalinmybrain]

On another thread you posted this:

"Please *******, first you don't even know how to spell so how in the hell are you to call yourself an expert? Second this boxing site is nothing more than a cheap shot imitation of the far better ones available. Third I know more about boxing than your ass can look up on GOOGLE! Lastly, I came onto this site to prove you idiots the real deal about boxing and that is what I am doing kid!

**** OFF KID!"

First off I also post on some of the forums you're refering to. I am a well respected member of them. Secondly, I've probably forgotten more about boxing than you're ever likely to know. I'm FAR from being a kid, in fact I'd hazzard to say I'm older than you and probably older than the vast majority of posters here.

Now, when Tyson was in his prime he faced three quality fighters: Bonecrusher Smith (who wouldn't fight), Tony Tucker (who broke his hand in the second round), and Razor Rudduck (who gave Tyson the two fights of his life). I never brought Marciano up, YOU did. I never argued that Marciano DIDN'T fight in a particularly weak era: He did. Ali, Louis, Holmes, and Foreman had, at least, a number of quality fighters on there resume; something Tyson (and yes, Marciano) lacked. Louis in particular seems to catch heat but he was fighting a dozen fights a year and when you fight THAT often you eventually run out of worthy challengers.

I stand by my assesment of that era of Heavyweight boxing: It was one of the worst I've ever seen. People such as yourself are on a campaign to make that era seem better than it was, all in an effort to make your boy Tyson look better than he was. It isn't going to happen because no matter how badly you want it, you can't make chicken salad out of chicken ****. Only a die hard Tyson nuthugger would try. You come across as a particularly obnoxious example of one of those: Someone who's OPINIONS may be safely disregarded.

Poet

lol, you sound like a 12 year old trying to hard to sound like an old man. Truth is pal, your just one too many memory cells short of knowing how good allot of Tyson's opponents were. Larry Holmes, who went on to fight incredible distance wars Holyfield, Mercer, Smith. Never once tasted the canvas like he did with Tyson. You can't sit there and say age had everything to do with it when Holmes himself said he was feeling great and in shape to fight, sparring 15 rounds just to prove it, wanted to knock Tyson out! Michael Spink, the light heavyweight who went undefeated all the way til meeting Mike Tyson. Had two awesome wars with Holmes in which case you can argue went either way but in favor for Spinks, he then knocks out arguably one of the hardest punchers in the history of boxing Jerry Cooney to retain his respect in the heavyweight division. Pinklon Thomas who was on the sprint to get back what was taken from him years before facing Tyson his title. Losing it to Trevor Berbick and it also being his first lose, he was known for having a solid chin prior to fighting Tyson and was never knocked down or out in his whole career, Tyson is the only man to knock Thomas out. Alex Stewart, who was also a great fighter prior to fighting Tyson with only one defeat against the hands of Evander Holyfield who couldn't knock Stewart out but rather a win by TKO. Tyson the very next year destroyed Stewart in one round knocking him down three times with one punch for each knockdown. Stewart also gave George Foreman a run for his money, although he lost the fight, Foreman's face was clearly unrecognizable by the end.

Pal you wouldn't know a natural puncher if one smacked you across your ignorant face. Prior to fighting Berbick for his title, no one in the history of boxing would have stopped Tyson from obtaining the WBC title and becoming the youngest heavyweight champion in the history of heavyweight boxing.

You have your opinion, just like I have mine. The problem is, you have no real clue as to how much you really sound arrogant and delusional to the fact that you know nothing about this sport. The sport of boxing as well as any other contact sport similar to boxing is all about having a stable mental physic. You lose interest and you lose the desire to succeed. Holyfield Lewis hell even McBride all faced a Tyson in desperate need of money. Tyson was wanting Holyfield all through the 80's. After his first fight with Frank Bruno he made it clear that he has been wanting Holyfield. It was always Don King who made the decisions, because it was Don King who wanted money. Figured that he could make some easy cash of Mike by setting him up with a line up of bums before he faced Holyfield. It was always Don Kings way to be the slickest of everyone around him. Mike wasn't properly trained nor was he mentally focused for that fight. His corner men looked like a bunch of monkeys with tools they didn't even know how to use. It was clear that Tyson became an emotional wreck because of all the misleads he was given in life. You have to realize that the emotional stage of a fighter is the key to how a fighter competes. I don't call fighting for money a result of the love for the sport. I call it a desperate attempt to gather yourself from the pit hole you seem to be in. If anyone who hasn't noticed, prior to losing Kevin Rooney Tyson was mentally intact. Every time he looked like he was in trouble Rooney was there to keep him afloat, he was literally unbeatable. Show some respect *******, I'm pretty sure your mother wouldn't be to proud to discover the thug bum who pretends to be an old ******ed man she has raised or is raising! Stay off the crack kid!!!

p.s.
LHTS kid!

[StarshipTrooper]

metalinmybrain quote


"lol, you sound like a 12 year old trying to hard to sound like an old man. Truth is pal, your just one too many memory cells short of knowing how good allot of Tyson's opponents were. Larry Holmes, who went on to fight incredible distance wars Holyfield, Mercer, Smith. Never once tasted the canvas like he did with Tyson. You can't sit there and say age had everything to do with it when Holmes himself said he was feeling great and in shape to fight, sparring 15 rounds just to prove it, wanted to knock Tyson out! Michael Spink, the light heavyweight who went undefeated all the way til meeting Mike Tyson. Had two awesome wars with Holmes in which case you can argue went either way but in favor for Spinks, he then knocks out arguably one of the hardest punchers in the history of boxing Jerry Cooney to retain his respect in the heavyweight division. Pinklon Thomas who was on the sprint to get back what was taken from him years before facing Tyson his title. Losing it to Trevor Berbick and it also being his first lose, he was known for having a solid chin prior to fighting Tyson and was never knocked down or out in his whole career, Tyson is the only man to knock Thomas out. Alex Stewart, who was also a great fighter prior to fighting Tyson with only one defeat against the hands of Evander Holyfield who couldn't knock Stewart out but rather a win by TKO. Tyson the very next year destroyed Stewart in one round knocking him down three times with one punch for each knockdown. Stewart also gave George Foreman a run for his money, although he lost the fight, Foreman's face was clearly unrecognizable by the end.

Pal you wouldn't know a natural puncher if one smacked you across your ignorant face. Prior to fighting Berbick for his title, no one in the history of boxing would have stopped Tyson from obtaining the WBC title and becoming the youngest heavyweight champion in the history of heavyweight boxing.

You have your opinion, just like I have mine. The problem is, you have no real clue as to how much you really sound arrogant and delusional to the fact that you know nothing about this sport. The sport of boxing as well as any other contact sport similar to boxing is all about having a stable mental physic. You lose interest and you lose the desire to succeed. Holyfield Lewis hell even McBride all faced a Tyson in desperate need of money. Tyson was wanting Holyfield all through the 80's. After his first fight with Frank Bruno he made it clear that he has been wanting Holyfield. It was always Don King who made the decisions, because it was Don King who wanted money. Figured that he could make some easy cash of Mike by setting him up with a line up of bums before he faced Holyfield. It was always Don Kings way to be the slickest of everyone around him. Mike wasn't properly trained nor was he mentally focused for that fight. His corner men looked like a bunch of monkeys with tools they didn't even know how to use. It was clear that Tyson became an emotional wreck because of all the misleads he was given in life. You have to realize that the emotional stage of a fighter is the key to how a fighter competes. I don't call fighting for money a result of the love for the sport. I call it a desperate attempt to gather yourself from the pit hole you seem to be in. If anyone who hasn't noticed, prior to losing Kevin Rooney Tyson was mentally intact. Every time he looked like he was in trouble Rooney was there to keep him afloat, he was literally unbeatable. Show some respect *******, I'm pretty sure your mother wouldn't be to proud to discover the thug bum who pretends to be an old ******ed man she has raised or is raising! Stay off the crack kid!!!

p.s.
LHTS kid!"

You know, for someone with fewer than a hundred posts you sure talk a lot of smack and have accumulated quite a bit of red karma. Does your mommy know you spend this much time on the computer Junior? In any case I'm now bored with you and am no longer inclined to toy with you like a cat does a cricket. From here on out you've joined the list of the damned found at the bottom of my signature. Enjoy your stay in chat hell!

Poet

[The Iron Man]

Poet.. do you really think That Tyson took steriods?

[Mike Tyson77]

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That's how many belts Tyson took. Heavyweight Champion is a name few hold. Tyson is one of them.