Top 10 Heavies from best to worst

[-CANE-]

That's right achievments are FACTUAL, my list differs now since my original post.

Check pages 18 and 19 of this thread and you'll see how I compiled my list and what criteria I used.

Why don't some of you try something similar and let me know what you come up with and let me know how you did yours and the final results.

It would make interesting reading and start this great thread going again.

[StarshipTrooper]

Marciano should be on no top ten list

I told you before Junior to stay out of the intellectual threads and park your nose where it belongs in threads that don't require brain power. I told you the other day you could simmer on the back burner so please: Go change your tampon and I'll get back to slapping the taste of your daddy's **** of your mouth when I have more time to devote to it.

Poet

[kkkkkkk87]

1 Muhammad Ali
2 Jack Johnson
3 Joe Louis
4 Rocky Marciano
5 Jack Dempsey
6 Mike Tyson
7 Larry Holmes
8 Lennox Lewis
9 Gene Tunney
10 Sonny Liston
11 George Foreman
12 Joe Frazier
13 Rid**** Bowe
14 Evander Holyfield
15 Jim Jeffries
16 Vitali Klitschko
17 Jersey Joe Walcott
18 Ezzard Charles
19 Max Schmeling
20 Wladimir Klitschko

[Hattie_Carroll]

Good thread

My own personal top 10:

Muhammad Ali
Joe Louis
Larry Holmes
Sonny Liston ( Severely underrated IMO )
Jack Johnson
George Foreman
Lennox Lewis
Rocky Marciano
Jack Dempsey
Evander Holyfield.

[StarshipTrooper]

1 Muhammad Ali
2 Jack Johnson
3 Joe Louis
4 Rocky Marciano
5 Jack Dempsey
6 Mike Tyson
7 Larry Holmes
8 Lennox Lewis
9 Gene Tunney
10 Sonny Liston
11 George Foreman
12 Joe Frazier
13 Rid**** Bowe
14 Evander Holyfield
15 Jim Jeffries
16 Vitali Klitschko
17 Jersey Joe Walcott
18 Ezzard Charles
19 Max Schmeling
20 Wladimir Klitschko

Wlad doesn't belong in the top 20 Heavyweights from the Ukraine let alone top 20 period.

Poet

[The Iron Man]

That's right achievments are FACTUAL, my list differs now since my original post.

Check pages 18 and 19 of this thread and you'll see how I compiled my list and what criteria I used.

Why don't some of you try something similar and let me know what you come up with and let me know how you did yours and the final results.

It would make interesting reading and start this great thread going again.

I made a list very similar to yours after i saw it.

This was the criteria

Agility
Power
Jab
Speed
Explosiveness
Chin
Stamina
Heart
Defense
Reign
no. defense
opposition
Impact
Achievements

I picked a mark out of 10 for each one, then sent to list to poet to put his own marks on it. We then sorted out the dissagrements and compiled a list. You can see it on page 32.

[The Jackal]

Wlad doesn't belong in the top 20 Heavyweights from the Ukraine let alone top 20 period.

Poet

A joke having Wlad in the top 20

[StarshipTrooper]

A joke having Wlad in the top 20

Too BLOODY right!

Poet

[LondonRingRules]

This was the criteria

Agility
Power
Jab
Speed
Explosiveness
Chin
Stamina
Heart
Defense
Reign
no. defense
opposition
Impact
Achievements

I picked a mark out of 10 for each one

** I'd say much of your criteria has little to do with being a great heavy.

If you go and look at the champions, you couldn't find a more disparate grouping of personalities, physical specimans, or styles. Moreover, there are very few top shelf physical specimans who seemingly enjoy every natural physical attribute who become champion.

Most of those guys tend to fall out from lack of discipline, opportunity, injury, or weaknesses in their mental makeup.

Joe Louis is generally accorded recognition as best heavy ever, yet in comparison to so many other heavies he's quite unremarkable physically, looking like some young guy you could pick up off the street today who hadn't put on a bunch of American fat yet.

As long as boxing lacks a Bill James to create an innovatative relative rating system to rank fighters like he did for baseball, these lists end up as beauty contests where rank bias rules. At any rate, I tend to think boxing greatness remains something not quite quantifiable, something mysterious, thus the wide variety of fighter types.

Wlad seems to have been a recent hot topic with one innocent poster putting him at 20th, creating a outcry from the usual piddling suspects.

He would rank near the top of all the categories on your list save a couple. In fact, if all the champs in their primes were suddenly pulled out of one of their best ever training camps and required to compete in the decathalon, he'd be the favorite and likely winner. Decathletes have traditionally been a yardstick for best all around athletic honors.

A liitle guy like Sam Langford would fall short on your list in many categories in spite of being the greatest fighter in history and arguably the best ever heavyweight, completely dominating a very good era.

Since I rank both Sam and Wlad and nobody can come up with a good reason why I shouldn't without dribbling down their chins or blowing out their backsides, the list should properly be considered a fluid talking point. I doubt the usual suspects are anticpating the changes in the sport that will render the typical top lists seen today as quaint as Nat Fleischer's famed list.

Chinese and Russians will be dominating the heavy lists and the new usual modern fanboy suspects will be rubbishing some good American heavies, making up nonsense to rationalize their views, completely lacking any context.

[StarshipTrooper]

Why in the hell is LRR making posts in a thread for people who actually KNOW what they're talking about? Is he defending Wlad for being a glass-jawed joke that lost to ROSS PURRITY? Or maybe he's campaigning against Ali as a great Heavyweight again: That always seems to be a fav past time of his. Maybe he's advertising his newest thread where he's trying to prove John Ruiz is a better Heavyweight than Jack Johnson LOL! That alone should be enough to discredit anything that comes out of his mouth. What you have in this dude is an iconoclast who tries to tear down acknowledged greats simply because conventional wisdom (ie common sense) says they're great. Ah, the hubris of the modern psuedo-intellectual who are really too ****** to realize how ****** they really are!

Poet