More punching power: Tyson or Marciano?

[hemichromis]

tyson outweighed rocky by 30 fkn pounds!

Valuev outweighs tyson by over 100lbs so he must hit much harder?

[bojangles1987]

I'd say Marciano because his power translated the whole fight, whereas Tyson's disappeared if you dragged out the fight. Also, I don't think Tyson ever knocked anyone out the way Marciano did, against relatively better competition.

[mickey malone]

I voted even.. Tyson hit harder, but P4P it was Marciano..

[Benny Leonard]

I'd say Marciano because his power translated the whole fight, whereas Tyson's disappeared if you dragged out the fight. Also, I don't think Tyson ever knocked anyone out the way Marciano did, against relatively better competition.

That's true. One thing about Marciano that you can notice with his punching is that he threw very relaxed which caused less tension in his muscles to wear down. However, are we talking about lasting power or one shot power?

This is a good example of the way Marciano threw his punches with being relaxed up until he lands the devastating punch



SPINKS KO for start.

Spinks is going down as one of the greatest LH in history. A LH that moved up and beat Larry Holmes {a legit 200+ pound HW Great} when Holmes was HW Champion and undefeated. Although Larry was not at his peak anymore despite still holding on to the title. Either way, given Marciano's greatest wins were largely fighters that were under 200 pounds and were known more as LH fighters, and given their age, the amount of times they lost, wars they fought, and were knocked out...I think I would credit Tyson with the Spinks KO in just 1 round quite high given the comparison.

Spinks was undefeated and had never been knocked out




List the big Marciano KO's:

Walcott; Layne....

[TheGreatA]

List the big Marciano KO's:

Walcott; Layne....

I think Marciano deserves extra credit for knocking Walcott and Layne out cold though, with single punches. 'Kid' Matthews was also another Marciano KO victim.

I can't really remember a Tyson KO like those, over a notable opponent.

Marciano's KO over Louis and Tyson's KO over Holmes were similar, not with single punches but neither Louis or Holmes were about to get up.

[Cotto Rules]

As much as i respect Marciano's power and his legacy, it's hard for me to put him in the same league as Tyson. When i think about the Spinks and the Berbick KOs, i don't think that someone can do that in boxing history in such shocking fashion and as fast.

Marciano didn't have the speed and the athleticism of Tyson. Tyson had a power created by a perfect balance and an awesome speed.
Plus Tyson was bigger.

[Dynamite Glove]

Power, Marciano.

Speed, Tyson.

[Benny Leonard]

I think Marciano deserves extra credit for knocking Walcott and Layne out cold though, with single punches. 'Kid' Matthews was also another Marciano KO victim.

I can't really remember a Tyson KO like those, over a notable opponent.

Marciano's KO over Louis and Tyson's KO over Holmes were similar, not with single punches but neither Louis or Holmes were about to get up.

Kid Matthews wasn't exactly a "big" guy. No way can he count as a HW. I'm not even sure he was the same weight as Marciano for their fight. At least the other two are basically CW or near it.

And for Louis, he was a shot fighter. Tyson and many others would have tore up that version of Louis.

I think it may have been Atlas that talked about this KO because it showed Marciano's ability to double up on the left-hook at the right time...
{something on those lines}.



Walcott: That was a huge KO but for me, it takes some of the sting away because others have knocked him out. Plus, some of the devastation of that punch was helped by Walcott starting to throw at Rocky and it caused a wide-open shot with Walcott's momentum coming right into the punch.



What I like about that KO was how Rocky calmy stalked Walcott back to the ropes...feinted with the jab and then unloaded the right right on the chin of Walcott as he was just making the move to throw his own.

Speaking of Walcott, he had a big KO over Charles which I was amazed to see when I first saw it.

[TheGreatA]

Kid Matthews wasn't exactly a "big" guy. No way can he count as a HW. At least the other two are basically CW.

True but Matthews was known for his durability. As I stated in an earlier post, Marciano's lack of KO wins against world class 200+ lbs opponents makes me doubt his punching ability when compared to the big heavyweights. Against men his size and a little bigger he was surely devastating.

I think it may have been Atlas that talked about this KO because it showed Marciano's ability to double up on the left-hook at the right time...
{something on those lines}.

It was a very good double left hook but I must admit that I've never seen Marciano do it in another fight.

Walcott: That was a huge KO but for me, it takes some of the sting away because others have knocked him out. Plus, some of the devastation of that punch was helped by Walcott starting to throw at Rocky and it caused a wide-open shot with Walcott's momentum coming right into the punch.

I've read up on Walcott's other KO losses and also of course seen him knocked out by Louis. He supposedly pretty much quit due to exhaustion against Abe Simon and was beaten by body punches against Ettore. He didn't actually train for his fights around these times so it's not surprising that he would start fading late.

He actually fought more punchers than most other heavyweights and his chin proved to be solid and his defensive abilities even better.

Elmer Ray, Lee Q Murray, Curtis Sheppard, Tommy Gomez were all notable punchers he defeated, among others.

What I like about that KO was how Rocky calmy stalked Walcott back to the ropes...feinted with the jab and then unloaded the right right on the chin of Walcott as he was just making the move to throw his own.

It was certainly a perfectly timed punch. Walcott had actually taken some solid right hand punches before in the fight but the last one he never saw coming, thus you may have a point about what you said above.

Then again it would probably be easier to see a Marciano haymaker coming than a short, explosive punch from Tyson.

[mickey malone]

As much as i respect Marciano's power and his legacy, it's hard for me to put him in the same league as Tyson. When i think about the Spinks and the Berbick KOs, i don't think that someone can do that in boxing history in such shocking fashion and as fast.

Marciano didn't have the speed and the athleticism of Tyson. Tyson had a power created by a perfect balance and an awesome speed.
Plus Tyson was bigger.

The only thing that genuinely seperates them is about 30lbs.. Other than that, they were quite similar really.. I'd say (fantasy match) if they fought at 195, Tyson would be faster, but Rock would have the edge in power.. The deciding factor would be heart.. Which I feel Marciano wins hands down..