Who in history can match Lennox's resum'e?

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  • Kid Achilles
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    #11
    Yogi wasn't mad, he just saw an opportunity to give a lesser known great some badly deserved credit and recognition and he went with it.

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    • Joeyzagz
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      #12
      I included Oliver Mccall and Rahman because they were both champions. No one in history(HWD) has beaten 11 champions and no one ever will because today's fighters have less bouts and are afraid of unification matches.

      Moore's overrall opposition is arguably the best of all time
      I give him credit for taking the tough fights.. it's cute. but Lennox has a win over every opponent he ever faced.



      Tyson and Holyfield were past their primes
      Holyfield was Mr Invincible in 1999, and there is only a 3 year age difference between him and Lewis.

      Tyson was, and I believe still is younger than Lennox

      Bowe was an amateur win and should not be included in his professional resume
      Its meaningful for 3 reasons

      1. Both guys went on to dominate the same division in the same era, and this was the only match that ever occured between the two.

      2. Lennox beat Bowe pretty freaking convinvingly. The punishment penetrated through the head gear.

      3. Bowe flushed his Heavyweight belt down the toilet to avoid Lewis in the mid 90's.... That makes the amateur match an pwnage of epic proportions.

      Ali has the best Heavyweight resume in history in my oppinion and maybe the best ever
      Ali's resum'e is comparable to Lennox, but the difference is Lennox has a win over every man he ever faced(HWD).

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      • Abe Attell
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        #13
        Ali has the best Heavyweight resume...just look at his recored prior to exile, then look at it after...the Man was able to beat great fighters after a few years of rusting, that says something.

        And can someone tell me how many times Ali has been KTFO?

        and don't bring up the Parkinson Ali that fought Larry Holmes because he was still standing.

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          #14
          I included Oliver Mccall and Rahman because they were both champions. No one in history(HWD) has beaten 11 champions and no one ever will because today's fighters have less bouts and are afraid of unification matches.
          considering there are 50 Heavyweight belts out there,
          yeah, I see your point.


          I give him credit for taking the tough fights.. it's cute. but Lennox has a win over every opponent he ever faced.
          Maricano has a victory over every opponent, didn't lose, but I am not going to say his resume is better than Ali's.



          Holyfield was Mr Invincible in 1999, and there is only a 3 year age difference between him and Lewis.
          Wow, that's stretching it...Holy beat a rusted, past his best Tyson...lost to Bowe twice, including being knocked out, had heart problems, lost to Moorer, etc.

          Tyson was, and I believe still is younger than Lennox
          Boxing age is different than regular age, and even then, somebody for example like Tyson had physically matured faster, plus the way of life makes you age faster. The Tyson that fought Lewis wasn't even the Tyson that fought Holyfield...at least the one that fought Holyfield still had some speed left, could last more than 3 rounds, showed up in decent shape (even though it wasn't "Boxing Shape"), etc.

          Its meaningful for 3 reasons

          1. Both guys went on to dominate the same division in the same era, and this was the only match that ever occured between the two.

          2. Lennox beat Bowe pretty freaking convinvingly. The punishment penetrated through the head gear.

          3. Bowe flushed his Heavyweight belt down the toilet to avoid Lewis in the mid 90's.... That makes the amateur match an pwnage of epic proportions.



          Ali's resum'e is comparable to Lennox, but the difference is Lennox has a win over every man he ever faced(HWD).
          Yeah, agree, it was a ***** move by Bowe to not face Lewis...it boosts Lewis's legacy because he won without even stepping into the ring.
          Last edited by Abe Attell; 12-08-2006, 06:13 PM.

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            #15
            Originally posted by Kid Achilles
            Yogi wasn't mad, he just saw an opportunity to give a lesser known great some badly deserved credit and recognition and he went with it.
            i know but I'm a sensitive guy you see and I often lock myself away for weeks if someone makes a derogatory remark about my new hair cut or choice of shoes.

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              #16
              Well, you did say resume. Wich means that the fighters they lost to should also count. Now this thread is taking a diffirent turn.

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              • Joeyzagz
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                #17
                Maricano has a victory over every opponent, didn't lose, but I am not going to say his resume is better than Ali's.
                Thats because Rocky had only 6 title fights.

                Lennox had 14 AND he beat everyone he ever faced.

                Well, you did say resume. Wich means that the fighters they lost to should also count. Now this thread is taking a diffirent turn.
                My fault for not making myself clear. By resu'me I mean guys you have a W over. Moore losing to Marciano and Ali does not impress me, anyone could have done that.
                Last edited by Joeyzagz; 12-08-2006, 07:08 PM.

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                • Kid Achilles
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                  #18
                  Lewis also lost twice, by knockout, to guys who were B- contenders. McCall had a lot of potential, great chin and power, but he was not a great fighter as he was.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Soir
                    I included Oliver Mccall and Rahman because they were both champions. No one in history(HWD) has beaten 11 champions and no one ever will because today's fighters have less bouts and are afraid of unification matches.



                    I give him credit for taking the tough fights.. it's cute. but Lennox has a win over every opponent he ever faced.
                    Obvious; but I'll take it anyway. Rahman and McCall were "champions" because they knocked out Lewis; and wouldn't have been in any other fashion, IMO. And McCall wasn't even a "champion", he was a belt-holder. Moorer was the World Champion when McCall stopped Lewis for the WBC belt.




                    Originally posted by Soir
                    Holyfield was Mr Invincible in 1999, and there is only a 3 year age difference between him and Lewis.

                    Tyson was, and I believe still is younger than Lennox
                    1. Holyfield had a great career resurgence over a post-prison Tyson, who was no where near the original and a great come-forward/knock him out effort over the glass chinned Moorer; but that does not mean he was invincible by any stretch of the imagination.

                    2. I don't care about physical age because it is a moot point. Short aggressive fighter, in this case Tyson, peak very early and go down hill very early. By the Time Mike got out of prison he was past his best, to suggest he was as good as Lewis or in the same place in his career as Lewis was when they finally did meet is absolute ludicrousy.



                    Originally posted by Soir
                    Its meaningful for 3 reasons

                    1. Both guys went on to dominate the same division in the same era, and this was the only match that ever occured between the two.

                    2. Lennox beat Bowe pretty freaking convinvingly. The punishment penetrated through the head gear.

                    3. Bowe flushed his Heavyweight belt down the toilet to avoid Lewis in the mid 90's.... That makes the amateur match an pwnage of epic proportions.
                    I'll be the first to admit that it sucks that Bowe ducked Lewis and the first to proclaim the Bowe would have probably been flattened by Lewis had they met. However, this fight still means diddly and is merely an attemp to place the two in the same ring in some far stretch. The fact is they never met, Bowe ducked him, and Lewis had a far more impressive career even without them meeting....be satisfed with it; we never got Ali-Foreman II either.

                    ...plus the use of the word(?) "pwange" should in and of itself make this entire argument null and void.



                    Originally posted by Soir
                    Ali's resum'e is comparable to Lennox, but the difference is Lennox has a win over every man he ever faced(HWD).
                    No, the difference is Ali faced far superior competition and never got stopped by anyone, much less a couple of journeymen. The only two men Ali didn't beat were Holmes and Berbick, whom he fought after he'd contracted Parkinson's syndone, to say nothing of "el dopa" before the Holmes fight.

                    There IS no comparison.
                    Last edited by K-DOGG; 12-08-2006, 07:06 PM.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by K-DOGG
                      Obvious; but I'll take it anyway. Rahman and McCall were "champions" because they knocked out Lewis; and wouldn't have been in any other fashion, IMO. And McCall wasn't even a "champion", he was a belt-holder. Moorer was the World Champion when McCall stopped Lewis for the WBC belt.






                      1. Holyfield had a great career resurgence over a post-prison Tyson, who was no where near the original and a great come-forward/knock him out effort over the glass chinned Moorer; but that does not mean he was invincible by any stretch of the imagination.

                      2. I don't care about physical age because it is a moot point. Short aggressive fighter, in this case Tyson, peak very early and go down hill very early. By the Time Mike got out of prison he was past his best, to suggest he was as good as Lewis or in the same place in his career as Lewis was when they finally did meet is absolute ludicrousy.





                      I'll be the first to admit that it sucks that Bowe ducked Lewis and the first to proclaim the Bowe would have probably been flattened by Lewis had they met. However, this fight still means diddly and is merely an attemp to place the two in the same ring in some far stretch. The fact is they never met, Bowe ducked him, and Lewis had a far more impressive career even without them meeting....be satisfed with it; we never got Ali-Foreman II either.

                      ...plus the use of the word(?) "pwange" should in and of itself make this entire argument null and void.





                      No, the difference is Ali faced far superior competition and never got stopped by anyone, much less a couple of journeymen. The only two men Ali didn't beat were Holmes and Berbick, whom he fought after he'd contracted Parkinson's syndone, to say nothing of "el dopa" before the Holmes fight.

                      There IS no comparison.
                      Agreed K-DOGG. agreed.

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