Watching Cotto/Mayorga...and why I'm certain Cotto will beat Margarito...

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  • TintaBoricua
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    Watching Cotto/Mayorga...and why I'm certain Cotto will beat Margarito...

    I'm sitting here watching Cotto/Mayorga and seeing Cotto with snapping punches, a ramming left jab, and a sharp left hook. Did he take punches from Mayorga? Of course, he doesn't have the best defense in the world AND Mayorga is a fairly awkward fighter that gives a lot of people fits because of how unconventional he is with his attack patterns. Hell, judging from the first FOUR ROUNDS in Mosley/Mayorga, you would've thought that it was going to be a little rough between him and Mosley down the stretch. Mayorga isn't a downright horrible fighter, he's just not elite, but awkward enough to not allow you to go all-out on him. Hell, the only guy in the last ten years to dispatch Mayorga without ANY trouble was Oscar de la Hoya because even Tito took some punches in his TKO victory. So let's cut Cotto some slack...


    I'm fairly certain you all guys know who I am by now and how I try to be respectful and keep things in perspective. I've been debating about Cotto/Margarito II for the last few days with people over here and casual fans (those that only tune in to watch PPV fights) see as Cotto going into a fight to take an utter beating at the hands of Antonio Margarito. And while I could see Margarito's pressure style giving Cotto fits, I can't bring myself to BELIEVE Margarito will win again.



    You don't have to agree, but consider the following points:

    1-) Ever since Cotto and Margarito fought, Cotto's record has been 4-1 (3KO's) while Margarito's has been 1-2 (0 KO's).

    2-) Cotto has an underrated jab and a solid left hook, which will land on Margarito's affected eye.

    3-) Their fight was fairly even. You can't look at that first fight and say Margarito was putting a beatdown on him since round 1. This wasn't Jones, Jr./Toney or B-Hop/Pavlik, Cotto was actually in the fight. He simply made mistakes that must be fixed, which are to stay from the ropes and clinch.

    4-) Cotto is NOT Ricky Hatton and Margarito is not Pacquiao. In other words, he CAN take punishment and Margarito isn't knocking Cotto out like some people believe. Cotto is susceptible to punches (and he WILL get tagged) but Margarito needs time to knock you out. And to be honest, if you are going in there against the first man to beat you (by TKO) and the fight has a PR-Mexican rivalry background, and you are FIGHTING in your hometown, there is NO way Cotto will allow himself to go down again and give Margarito the TKO victory. If the going gets tough, all Cotto has to do is get on his bike and reach the bell and recover. Cotto's going to reach the final bell even if he is taking a beating, he won't quit again. That's why this is going to be intriguing should he begin to take a lot of punishment, Cotto won't quit even if his body is begging him for air and although this might sound like a downfall, consider the following point...

    5-) They are fighting in Madison Square Garden, Cotto's adopted home. This means that Cotto can throw a seven punch combination, land only two punches, and people will be cheering even over that. Like it or not, that will influence judges. If there are ANY close rounds, you KNOW who they're going to give them to.

    6-) In the worst case scenario, the politics of boxing will be in play. Even if Margarito does enough to WARRANT a victory in a rousing slugfest, the judges will give it to Cotto in order to set up a trilogy, which in the end, means more money for Bob.

    The two questions regarding Margarito:

    a-) After his battles with Cotto, Mosley, and Pacquiao, will Margarito's chin FINALLY show deterioration. Sooner or later, it dissolves, doesn't it? Considering his fighting style and the fact that he's been fighting since he was 15 years old and he's now 33, that's a lot of punishment to take over an 18 year career.

    b-) After that nasty eye injury against Pacquiao, will Margarito's socket keep itself intact or will a cut open up allowing Cotto to take advantage of it?


    Guys, agree, disagree, debate!

    Also, I'm taking bets on this fight! 2:1 odds with Cotto...feel free to PM me!
  • dan_cov
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    I'll bet you 10 million that Margarito wins.


    Marg is to big, too strong & mentally too tough for Cotto. Cotto is not the fighter he was & I think his power & speeds deteriorated a little.

    Cotto has a tendency to fold under pressure & Marg will pressure him & put it on him even quicker this time out.

    Marg is always in good shape but I've seen recent pics and by god is he in fantastic condition already.

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    • dan_cov
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      #3
      Message me to confirm & i'll sig the bet if you want it.

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      • chav
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        #4
        IF Tony let's Cotto box then Cotto will win, but why change your way of fighting when it's taken you so far in your career and especially against someone you know doesn't like pressure and who you have already beaten one before with this style.

        I think Cotto tries desperately to box and jab and by round 9 it's a slugfest and a war of attrition. When that happens there is only 1 winner and it's nit Cotto

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        • TintaBoricua
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          #5
          Originally posted by dancovboxer
          I'll bet you 10 million that Margarito wins.


          Marg is to big, too strong & mentally too tough for Cotto. Cotto is not the fighter he was & I think his power & speeds deteriorated a little.

          Cotto has a tendency to fold under pressure & Marg will pressure him & put it on him even quicker this time out.

          Marg is always in good shape but I've seen recent pics and by god is he in fantastic condition already.
          I agree with you in that Margarito is big, strong, and mentally tough. I also agree with the fact that Margarito is in fantastic shape already. I could also see Margarito making it ugly for Cotto, but I really can't see Cotto being stopped. He's a consistent fighter and usually keeps his cool under pressure. Margarito has a tremendous chin, but I don't think he'll just walk in carelessly as if to blow Cotto out Segura/Calderón style...

          Cotto actually has a punch and you HAVE to wonder about Margarito's eye AND whether his chin will be the same.

          But sure, I'll PM and sig the bet with you!

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          • JOM'S
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            I dont totally agree with TS but I am rooting for Cotto as IMHO he has more upsides than Margaritom but Tony can prove me wrong...

            this will be a long tough fight...

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            • FXDaKid
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              Leaning towards Margarito because his style and toughness is really bad for Cotto. Don't get all my predictions right but I remember predicting Margarito to win the first one because I just felt he would overcome a slow start to eventually walk Cotto down

              If I was backing Cotto, what would give me hope is that Margarito hasn't looked like the same fighter since that fight. He's 33, will have been off a year, and has taken two wicked beatings since their first fight... I wonder if he'll be able to absorb punishment like in the first fight

              To me a lot of this fight comes down to whether or not Cotto can hurt Margarito sometime in the first six rounds in order to slow him down

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              • jjbj2
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                #8
                Question:

                Is Cotto the last Puerto Rican world champion they have?

                I'm just wondering.

                Also, Tinta Boricua already knows my opinion in this thread.

                Look at the bet

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                • TintaBoricua
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                  #9
                  Bump this thread!

                  I can't be the only one who sees all these positive points that Cotto has going into this fight...

                  In regards to Margarito, let me point out some positive aspects that he has going into this fight:

                  a-) It really IS all or nothing for him. Margarito knew that he could bounce back from the Mosley fight and call it a fluke/bad night. He then had a tune-up against Robert García in which he looked so-so. He then lost in brutal, one-sided fashion against Pacquiao. But you could also forgive him for that, too because...let's be honest, nobody has looked good against Pacquiao. But now with 2 losses in his last three fights, he knows he can't lose a third time, ESPECIALLY considering the PR-Mexican rivalry AND the fact that losing this fight might take away some luster from his greatest career win back in 2008 (depending on how he looks).

                  b-) Margarito's toughness. Margarito is one of the most durable fighters and certainly one with one of the biggest thresholds for pain. If you wanna' show a buddy how iron-chinned Margarito is, the prime example of this is Mosley/Margarito. Mosley didn't land hard shots for 9 rounds, he landed punches with ALL his body weight in there. Mosley was landing power punch after power punch after power punch for 9 rounds and it wasn't until the eighth round that Margarito FINALLY was wobbled. How much do you have to hit a guy to stun him? Seriously? Margarito also took his fair share of punishment against Cotto and was able to overcome the early deficit and stop Cotto. With Pacquiao, Margarito had his cheekbone broken in the fourth round and made it to the final bell, NEVER showing any signs that he wanted out nor did he ever start retreating. You have to certainly believe Margarito will bring his patented toughness in this next fight. It's going to be a grueling affair for as long as it lasts. And let me point out one more thing, the Margarito from 2008 is long gone BUT...even if the Margarito from the Pacquiao fight shows up, we could still see a competitive fight.

                  c-) No secret...Cotto fights better when he's bullying people around. When he's on the retreat, he has decent boxing skills but he's not as good in that department as he is when coming forward. Margarito isn't going to box in this fight, he's going to feel out Cotto's power for the first 2-3 rounds and warm up as usual. The sixth round will give us a clear indication of where the fight is headed. Margarito's tendency in his fights is to show he's "in his zone" during the sixth-ninth rounds, special emphasis on the sixth. Margarito has a favorable style against Cotto. The question is: Will it still work considering how much mileage there is on the odometer?

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                  • Bombs
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                    #10
                    Cotto will win an EASY UD. Eaaaaasy work, eaaasy.

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