In response to the article posted in "WOW!! Floyd gets ripped a new ******"

**LEFTYGUNZZ** · 05-05-2009, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by QUISQUEYA
Here's a question, though:

Why is it that you are the only one that sees that?

Here's what i'm saying. You have a full time job. You are busy. You do not follow boxing full-time. Right? But the writers and experts DO follow full-time. The guys at Ring magazine live, sleep and breathe boxing. And they voted FMJ as the #1 in the sport. Not at 130. Post 130. They voted him p4p #1 for his work at 140 and up.

Why is it so easy for YOU to see what a ***** he is....but, meanwhile, the experts are busy putting him on p4p and ATG lists.

Please explain.

People at the magazines are biased and are in a position to profit by what it is they write. They are paid for their opinion and fans watch and follow the sport for the love of it. That is the true difference when it comes to stories and ratings. The magazines are influenced by promoters and money. Like anything else in the world money talks and bullish walks. They need to sell magazines and promoters needs big fights. With all that being said Floyd is not what the haters are saying 100% and he is not what the nut huggers are saying 100%. Unfortunately boxing is a performance related business not like baseball or football or basket ball where you can have a bad night and come back in a day or 2. You have a bad night in boxing you get KTFO or beat down for 10-12 rounds. You don't get a chance to come right back and discredit the nay sayers. There is no one on your team. All this Team Hatton and Team PAcquiao Team MAyweather all fine and dandy but when you leave the corner and the bell rings it is you and your opponent. That's it..

Sure Floyd hasn't been the most exciting fighter he hasn't fought everyone the fans want him to fight. he proved himself at lower weight classes and like everyone else he stepped up to make money. Manny isn't fighting for titles right now he is fighting for BIG $$$. Sure he got more credit for beating Hatton then Floyd and why? Because he started fighting at 106lbs and Floyd started at what 130lb. Does it really matter on fight night if you started at 106 or 130 when you are fighting at 140lbs? Honestly and truly no matter how you look at it fighters job is too fight and the promoters and the manager�s job is to make the fights.

Honestly a fighters people know what is going to murder for their fighters style and lots of times you will hear why did they put him in there with so and so they should have known he was going to give him troubles. I personally think Floyd is a damn good fighter who could be very great but every fighter needs that one fight so he can show us just how great he truly is. Floyd hasn't been in that one fight yet. There is no Leonard, hagler, Duran, Hearns without the opposition. Roy Jones one of the most talented fighters in the past 2 decades P4P probably the reason P4P was created to just judge truly how good he was. DAMN shame he never had true competition in his weight class only in his later years did he step up and fight big names. I see the same in Floyd he has lived off his name alone. He can sell enough tickets off the Mayweather express without getting in there with a truly dangerous opponent. Eventually that time period runs dry. You get alittel older and other fighters come on and absorb some of that fan base and you need to get in there with a big name and a big time fighter to make that money. You need to take more risks. People get tired of seeing mismatched main events and you easing you way to victory. There are 3 sides to every story your mine and the truth...the truth about Money Mayweather is that he is true to his name. Let�s see if this time around he is true to his fans and his critics and give them a reason to fight even harder against those haters.

**Kevin Jesus** · 05-05-2009, 01:58 PM

Good post, it wasn't biased to Mayweather, at all. You spoke the truth on this one.

**LEFTYGUNZZ** · 05-05-2009, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by Kevin Jesus

Good post, it wasn't biased to Mayweather, at all. You spoke the truth on this one.

Thanks I am not a hugger or a hater just a avid boxing fan who loves the sport. Appreciate you taking your time t read my posts....Lefty

**mellow_mood** · 05-05-2009, 02:10 PM

solid post lucky!!!

**LEFTYGUNZZ** · 05-05-2009, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by mellow_mood

solid post lucky!!!

Appreciated man just trying to give an unbiased post....Lefty

**Bullet Bill** · 05-05-2009, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by luckylefty731

People at the magazines are biased and are in a position to profit by what it is they write. They are paid for their opinion and fans watch and follow the sport for the love of it. That is the true difference when it comes to stories and ratings. The magazines are influenced by promoters and money. Like anything else in the world money talks and bullish walks. They need to sell magazines and promoters needs big fights. With all that being said Floyd is not what the haters are saying 100% and he is not what the nut huggers are saying 100%. Unfortunately boxing is a performance related business not like baseball or football or basket ball where you can have a bad night and come back in a day or 2. You have a bad night in boxing you get KTFO or beat down for 10-12 rounds. You don't get a chance to come right back and discredit the nay sayers. There is no one on your team. All this Team Hatton and Team PAcquiao Team MAyweather all fine and dandy but when you leave the corner and the bell rings it is you and your opponent. That's it..

Sure Floyd hasn't been the most exciting fighter he hasn't fought everyone the fans want him to fight. he proved himself at lower weight classes and like everyone else he stepped up to make money. Manny isn't fighting for titles right now he is fighting for BIG $$$. Sure he got more credit for beating Hatton then Floyd and why? Because he started fighting at 106lbs and Floyd started at what 130lb. Does it really matter on fight night if you started at 106 or 130 when you are fighting at 140lbs? Honestly and truly no matter how you look at it fighters job is too fight and the promoters and the manager’s job is to make the fights.

Honestly a fighters people know what is going to murder for their fighters style and lots of times you will hear why did they put him in there with so and so they should have known he was going to give him troubles. I personally think Floyd is a damn good fighter who could be very great but every fighter needs that one fight so he can show us just how great he truly is. Floyd hasn't been in that one fight yet. There is no Leonard, hagler, Duran, Hearns without the opposition. Roy Jones one of the most talented fighters in the past 2 decades P4P probably the reason P4P was created to just judge truly how good he was. DAMN shame he never had true competition in his weight class only in his later years did he step up and fight big names. I see the same in Floyd he has lived off his name alone. He can sell enough tickets off the Mayweather express without getting in there with a truly dangerous opponent. Eventually that time period runs dry. You get alittel older and other fighters come on and absorb some of that fan base and you need to get in there with a big name and a big time fighter to make that money. You need to take more risks. People get tired of seeing mismatched main events and you easing you way to victory. There are 3 sides to every story your mine and the truth...the truth about Money Mayweather is that he is true to his name. Let’s see if this time around he is true to his fans and his critics and give them a reason to fight even harder against those haters.

Floyd Mayweather Jr: Eyes On The Prize
By Michael Herron

Since writing “Floyd “Money” Mayweather: A True Prizefighter,” many boxing fans have sent emails questioning how as a writer and a boxing fan could I support the antics of Floyd Mayweather, Jr. I decided to create a response that encompasses several arguments and point-of-views posed by readers.

First of all, thanks for reading and voicing your opinion. Also, I appreciate the politeness by which many of you have done so. My article was written first and foremost, not as a means to give Mayweather a free pass, but to counter some of the harsh opinions, statements, and articles written about him lately. What many sports fans and boxing enthusiasts don't realize is that the time for “prizefighters” to make big money is short. Mayweather, right now, is at the apex of his career. This is his time to maximize his popularity and supplement his earnings potential.

As a warrior in an unforgiving sport, Mayweather may not always have the opportunities to do Wrestlemania, Dancing With The Stars, or any future celebrity events. In boxing, and professional sports in general, you have to act while you can and take advantage while you are hot. Injuries, accidents, negative press, like dogfighting for instance, or any circumstances causing a loss of marketability, could offset these opportunities very quickly. In layman's terms, its called going from hero to zero. Take a look at Prince Naseem Hamed and the rise and fall of his career in record time. Or Mike Tyson's crash and burn at the hands of gorgeous women and bad financial decisions. Even boxing great Joe Louis was chewed up and spit out once the gloves came off. As an active fighter, Mayweather could of easily missed out on proposed rematches with De La Hoya and Hatton if he didn't accept them accordingly. Boxing fans must realize that every fighter wants to fight De La Hoya and Hatton. It means a major payday which is clearly a goal for every prizefighter; even modest contenders will often accept a fight "only if the money is right."

It's been stated by many critics that Floyd is all about money and has tarnished the sport. Take some time to consider, however, how a fighter like Juan Manuel Marquez could end up fighting and losing a title shot in Indonesia for 31,000 dollars. You have to be smart as a prizefighter, you can't just accept fights because promoters, sanctioning bodies, networks, or even pushy fans want you to. Too many fighters have become ****** and puppets to the system. The big promotion companies are well known to have taken advantage of many fighters throughout the years. How much bad press has Don King, Bob Arum, and even the upstart Golden Boy Promotions received when it comes to actually paying their fighters and treating them with respect? Every week we hear about another fighter leaving their promoter, or buying out their contract, or being dropped from a network. Mayweather long ago freed himself from the corruption when he rejected HBO's offer as a slave contract and subsequently bought out his contract with Top Rank promotions. As a result, he has flourished under his own guidance; yet unjustly criticized for being successful.

When you look pass the money, Mayweather and even the former P4P king Roy Jones are actually truer to pure boxing than most big names in the sport. These two fighters are actually marketed for their skill set, not their personalities. De La Hoya on the other hand, sells his Pay-Per-Views based on personality and charm alone, not boxing ability. Is this why we watch boxing, to see personalities joust or skills clash? When you pay to see Floyd, the expectation is that you will see the best skills in boxing. When you pay to see Oscar, there are no expectations, he could win or lose with no penalty. If Mayweather or Jones lose a fight, they lose everything. They are burdened with having to be perfect. The repercussions of Jones' losses to Tarver and Johnson is the perfect example of why Mayweather knows he can't lose. If he were to be defeated, proponents and detractors in this “unforgiving sport” would attempt to destroy everything he has fought for.

As far as Mayweather remaining a hungry fighter, it is all downhill once you've made it to the top. Beating Miguel Cotto or any other welterweight is not going to get him higher or make him a bigger star. Maybe in the eyes of die-hard fans it will, but as far as casual fans are concerned, they hardly know who the welterweight contenders are; much less view them as a threat. So everything at this point for Mayweather is just extra whip cream with cherries on top. He could fight Cotto, but is it necessary? What further accolades can he win? He has attained every honor already: recognition as the best fighter pound-for-pound, titles in five weight classes, massive fame and fortune, and most importantly, he's threatening to replace Oscar De La Hoya as the biggest name in boxing. It can be argued that he already has. Furthermore, as it stands, Mayweather can retire today and make his case as one of the greatest fighters of all-time.

Despite his accomplishments however, Mayweather is still likely to fight Cotto; but as he stated on ESPN's Friday Night Fights, it will happen when he is ready, not when impatient fans and media critics are ready. Those who criticize Mayweather should realize that Top Rank/Bob Arum has made him no real offer to fight Cotto; just a bunch of cheap talk. They are in no hurry to see Cotto lose his 0.At this time, they are more concerned with enhancing Cotto's record and increasing his popularity and marketability. When the time does come expect Mayweather to demand a most attractive offer; and unless they deliver it he will continue to accept fights such as De La Hoya and Hatton's multi-million dollar rematches - wouldn't you?

Ultimately, what these rematches will do is give the sport great exposure. Mayweather's ability to stay in the limelight will fuel another great promotion. Conceptually, the rematch with De La Hoya is about more than just money. This fight carries symbolic meaning for both combatants. Mayweather is anxious for the world to see the final defeat and overthrow of Oscar De La Hoya. With his ascending popularity and rising marketability, “Money” Mayweather is poised to supplant Oscar as the biggest name and most recognizable face in boxing. Soon, if you want to make the big money, you'll have to come see Floyd. If you want to prove your the best, you'll have to come see Floyd. If you want to know the current state of prizefighting, you'll have to start with Floyd. This is Mayweather's true ambition. These are his real goals. This is why his eyes are on the prize.

**LEFTYGUNZZ** · 05-05-2009, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by Walt Liquor
This is the thing lefty, at 147+ how good were his performances? Can we agree that Sharmba was a shell of himself after Tszyu was done with him? So that fight doesn't enhance Floyd's legacy. Zab's speed was definitely bothering Floyd untill he fell apart like he always does when he doesn't ko his opponent or have a much less talented fighter across from him. At least the fight was somewhat entertaining. The Baldomir fight was sooooo boring it was boo'd. The Oscar fight really was pathetic, neither guy fought like a champ. It was boring as well. HAtton was semi-entertaining, with a great finish for Floyd on a charging in guy with short arms. Not the resume of a #1 pfp kinda guy. Now compare with Manny, bhops, shane and jmm's last 5 fights. Those guys fight like real champs. Sure each one has some weak spots but as a body of work, they are far more impressive than floyd's performances. And about your other post, the reason why manny gets more props for beating Hatton is cuz he came from 106 AND cuz he fought Hatton at his proven best weight.
Floyd is a very good fighter based on his work at 130-5 seven years ago.nothing since

Good post and a valid point of view. I still think that what I said holds true he made a name for him self at 130-135 and then capitalized on it at a higher weight much like manny is doing now. Just that people see Manny as a muich more exciting ticket and he didn't make all of his battles look so easy in the past. Floyd is a technician and skilled boxer Manny is a machine he goes fot he kill he don;t sit back and try to outpoint you. There are those who make the fight and those who counter punch. Boxing is like dancing someone has got to lead right? Floyd's style may be boring I will give you that. But to try to take away the fact the man has extreme talent by calling him a chicken and a ducker is obsurd. You don't always get what you want in life and money makes the world go around. If Floyd had bigger money opportunities at the time he was at 147 at the time he would have took them. He got what 20-25 Million to fight Oscar at 154 as proposed to the 4-8 million Arum offered him to fight Margarito? He got what the same 15-25 Million to fight Hatton as proposed to 8-12 Millon to fight Cotto? I may not have the exact figures but you get the idea right? I worjk 40 hours a week spread out over 5 days a week. lets say I make 100K a year right? I have to travle 1 to 1 1/2 hours a day to get to work. if someone offered me a workl at home job for the same or more money I would jump out of my seat and hurt my back to take it. it is what it is..Let us just say Money May is motivated by the fact his name is Money May...h motivated by forming a legacy of the best fighter ever not saying that he couldn't hold claim to that title but he would have to actually work really hard for it. I mean look at Joe Louis he was probably the best HW ever he died broke right? MONEY MAY......He defintely lives up to his name....Lefty

**BattlingNelson** · 05-05-2009, 02:29 PM

Nice effort lefty

Mayweather picks on smaller fighters!

Now this postulat became as evident as ever in this comeback against JMM a fighter from 2 weightclasses below. This fight is being set-up as a legitimate p4p fight. Pretty jokish. It insults the intelligence of true hardcore fans who felt that Mayweather should fight a WW since he wants to fight in that division. Forcing a man to move up 10 pounds for a fight is just not right. If Floyd wanted to shed some rust why doesn't he fight a WW from the lower half of the top 10?

Funny thing is that Mayweather said that he'd come back for legacy fights only. In that regard this fight is pretty worthless and Floyd's status would take a massive hit should he unexpectedly lose.

Meh I doubt that Mayweather will ever face Cotto (or even the ancient Shane Balco Mosley) and instead take on pac next and probably at 147 pounds before retiring again.

My problem with PBF lies not in what he does in the ring but rather outside it.

**LEFTYGUNZZ** · 05-05-2009, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by Bullet Bill

Floyd Mayweather Jr: Eyes On The Prize
By Michael Herron

Since writing �Floyd �Money� Mayweather: A True Prizefighter,� many boxing fans have sent emails questioning how as a writer and a boxing fan could I support the antics of Floyd Mayweather, Jr. I decided to create a response that encompasses several arguments and point-of-views posed by readers.

First of all, thanks for reading and voicing your opinion. Also, I appreciate the politeness by which many of you have done so. My article was written first and foremost, not as a means to give Mayweather a free pass, but to counter some of the harsh opinions, statements, and articles written about him lately. What many sports fans and boxing enthusiasts don't realize is that the time for �prizefighters� to make big money is short. Mayweather, right now, is at the apex of his career. This is his time to maximize his popularity and supplement his earnings potential.

As a warrior in an unforgiving sport, Mayweather may not always have the opportunities to do Wrestlemania, Dancing With The Stars, or any future celebrity events. In boxing, and professional sports in general, you have to act while you can and take advantage while you are hot. Injuries, accidents, negative press, like dogfighting for instance, or any circumstances causing a loss of marketability, could offset these opportunities very quickly. In layman's terms, its called going from hero to zero. Take a look at Prince Naseem Hamed and the rise and fall of his career in record time. Or Mike Tyson's crash and burn at the hands of gorgeous women and bad financial decisions. Even boxing great Joe Louis was chewed up and spit out once the gloves came off. As an active fighter, Mayweather could of easily missed out on proposed rematches with De La Hoya and Hatton if he didn't accept them accordingly. Boxing fans must realize that every fighter wants to fight De La Hoya and Hatton. It means a major payday which is clearly a goal for every prizefighter; even modest contenders will often accept a fight "only if the money is right."

It's been stated by many critics that Floyd is all about money and has tarnished the sport. Take some time to consider, however, how a fighter like Juan Manuel Marquez could end up fighting and losing a title shot in Indonesia for 31,000 dollars. You have to be smart as a prizefighter, you can't just accept fights because promoters, sanctioning bodies, networks, or even pushy fans want you to. Too many fighters have become ****** and puppets to the system. The big promotion companies are well known to have taken advantage of many fighters throughout the years. How much bad press has Don King, Bob Arum, and even the upstart Golden Boy Promotions received when it comes to actually paying their fighters and treating them with respect? Every week we hear about another fighter leaving their promoter, or buying out their contract, or being dropped from a network. Mayweather long ago freed himself from the corruption when he rejected HBO's offer as a slave contract and subsequently bought out his contract with Top Rank promotions. As a result, he has flourished under his own guidance; yet unjustly criticized for being successful.

When you look pass the money, Mayweather and even the former P4P king Roy Jones are actually truer to pure boxing than most big names in the sport. These two fighters are actually marketed for their skill set, not their personalities. De La Hoya on the other hand, sells his Pay-Per-Views based on personality and charm alone, not boxing ability. Is this why we watch boxing, to see personalities joust or skills clash? When you pay to see Floyd, the expectation is that you will see the best skills in boxing. When you pay to see Oscar, there are no expectations, he could win or lose with no penalty. If Mayweather or Jones lose a fight, they lose everything. They are burdened with having to be perfect. The repercussions of Jones' losses to Tarver and Johnson is the perfect example of why Mayweather knows he can't lose. If he were to be defeated, proponents and detractors in this �unforgiving sport� would attempt to destroy everything he has fought for.

As far as Mayweather remaining a hungry fighter, it is all downhill once you've made it to the top. Beating Miguel Cotto or any other welterweight is not going to get him higher or make him a bigger star. Maybe in the eyes of die-hard fans it will, but as far as casual fans are concerned, they hardly know who the welterweight contenders are; much less view them as a threat. So everything at this point for Mayweather is just extra whip cream with cherries on top. He could fight Cotto, but is it necessary? What further accolades can he win? He has attained every honor already: recognition as the best fighter pound-for-pound, titles in five weight classes, massive fame and fortune, and most importantly, he's threatening to replace Oscar De La Hoya as the biggest name in boxing. It can be argued that he already has. Furthermore, as it stands, Mayweather can retire today and make his case as one of the greatest fighters of all-time.

Despite his accomplishments however, Mayweather is still likely to fight Cotto; but as he stated on ESPN's Friday Night Fights, it will happen when he is ready, not when impatient fans and media critics are ready. Those who criticize Mayweather should realize that Top Rank/Bob Arum has made him no real offer to fight Cotto; just a bunch of cheap talk. They are in no hurry to see Cotto lose his 0.At this time, they are more concerned with enhancing Cotto's record and increasing his popularity and marketability. When the time does come expect Mayweather to demand a most attractive offer; and unless they deliver it he will continue to accept fights such as De La Hoya and Hatton's multi-million dollar rematches - wouldn't you?

Ultimately, what these rematches will do is give the sport great exposure. Mayweather's ability to stay in the limelight will fuel another great promotion. Conceptually, the rematch with De La Hoya is about more than just money. This fight carries symbolic meaning for both combatants. Mayweather is anxious for the world to see the final defeat and overthrow of Oscar De La Hoya. With his ascending popularity and rising marketability, �Money� Mayweather is poised to supplant Oscar as the biggest name and most recognizable face in boxing. Soon, if you want to make the big money, you'll have to come see Floyd. If you want to prove your the best, you'll have to come see Floyd. If you want to know the current state of prizefighting, you'll have to start with Floyd. This is Mayweather's true ambition. These are his real goals. This is why his eyes are on the prize.

Old article pre retirement for Floyd and pre Cotto losing to Margarito and Manny making his run at the title of P4P and Manny becoming the biggest face in Boxing overnight....Good read though just not current Bill.....Lefty

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