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  • The Truth on Roy Jones VS James Toney

    It seems like its Roy Jones history day so why not revist his biggest fight?


    "At this time, most boxing magazines and writers had regarded Toney as the best pound per pound fighter in the world. He had become one of the most feared and intimidating fighters as well. James Toney had become somewhat of a throwback to the old time great fighters, as he fought often and was willing to take on the best regardless of weight class. At his best, Toney’s style was almost flawless. He was a smooth boxer/puncher who could adapt to any style. He could easily fight from the distance or on an inside battle. He was one of the best defensive specialists in the sport, in that he could slip and avoid punches in a way that resembled a young Roberto Duran. Toney seemed to have it all, power, speed, a solid chin, an outstanding defense and an aura that commanded respect. But his battle with weight had once again begun to take its toll. He would balloon to over 200 lbs between fights, which made it apparent that his days at the Super Middleweight limit were coming to an end. In fact Toney’s sights were now set on the Heavyweight division. However, after the Williams fight it was announced that Toney would next defend his title with a big money fight against Roy Jones.

    Toney accepted the fight, believing that he would be able to make the 168lbs. limit one last time. The fight was set for November 18, 1994. Toney went into training camp for the Jones match a mere 6 weeks prior to the fight, weighing 214 lbs. By the day of the weigh-in Toney had stepped on the scale weighing a weak looking 167 lbs. He had lost 47 lbs in just 6 weeks. Toney was severely dehydrated and his camp knew it. After the weigh-in, Toney was hooked up to an I.V. in order to replace his body with fluids and he was kept on it all night until the next day of the fight. On fight day, just before entering the ring, Toney had weighed himself in the dressing room. It was reported that he weighed 186 lbs, which meant that he had gained an incredible 19 pounds in less than 24 hours. As Toney climbed into the ring and removed his robe, he revealed a soft looking body which lacked muscle tone. It became apparent that this was not the same fighter. In spite of the fact that Toney was so grossly out of shape, Jones still seemed content to fight a safe cautious fight. The result was a boring 12 round decision win for Jones. This became Toney’s first loss after 46 pro fights. After the fight, Toney admitted that he had been weakened by making the weight and stated that he would move up to the Light Heavyweight division."

    http://lightsout10.tripod.com/toney_biography.htm

  • #2
    I didn't find the fight boring. I thought Roy's skills and speed in that fight were incredible. I agree that Toney was somewhat weight affected but not to the extent that the article makes out. Prime Roy beats prime Toney, he was just way to fast and skillful for him.

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    • #3
      The Toney that fought Iran Barkley would come very close to beating Jones unlike weight drained version.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by danc1984 View Post
        I didn't find the fight boring. I thought Roy's skills and speed in that fight were incredible. I agree that Toney was somewhat weight affected but not to the extent that the article makes out. Prime Roy beats prime Toney, he was just way to fast and skillful for him.
        i agree and he knew how to crack James Toney's defence

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        • #5
          Funny I dont see any Jones fans commenting on this one. But when their boy is "weight drained" they let you know it.

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          • #6
            Toney was definitely very weight drained for this fight as I've said many times on this board, but that was definitely written by a Toney fan. And I also didn't find the fight boring. I do think it's bizarre though that Jones fans hold this fight up as an example of why Roy should be considered an all time great. Ask any Roy fan who he beat and they'll say "James Toney and Bernard Hopkins". Toney was weight drained and Hopkins was not the fighter he grew to become. Neither of these wins were out of this world, and this article re-enforced that, albeit a little biasedly.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by The Wire View Post
              Toney was definitely very weight drained for this fight as I've said many times on this board, but that was definitely written by a Toney fan. And I also didn't find the fight boring. I do think it's bizarre though that Jones fans hold this fight up as an example of why Roy should be considered an all time great. Ask any Roy fan who he beat and they'll say "James Toney and Bernard Hopkins". Toney was weight drained and Hopkins was not the fighter he grew to become. Neither of these wins were out of this world, and this article re-enforced that, albeit a little biasedly.
              Sure those two fights are part of what makes Roy so great and yes there are question marks over them. However there are a number of other factors that elevate Roy to ATG status. He achieved a period of dominance that is rarely witnessed, barely dropping rounds and making good opponents look ordinary. He also won titles from MW right through to HW.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by The Wire View Post
                Toney was definitely very weight drained for this fight as I've said many times on this board, but that was definitely written by a Toney fan. And I also didn't find the fight boring. I do think it's bizarre though that Jones fans hold this fight up as an example of why Roy should be considered an all time great. Ask any Roy fan who he beat and they'll say "James Toney and Bernard Hopkins". Toney was weight drained and Hopkins was not the fighter he grew to become. Neither of these wins were out of this world, and this article re-enforced that, albeit a little biasedly.
                The numbers dont lie. I knew all this info for a while and that was the first site that came up in the search. Heres another view on the matter from a more neutral site.

                http://www.e astsideboxing.com/?p=6131&more=1 Remove the space from the e and a.

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                • #9
                  Toney never really earned the right to get a rematch with roy though. If he would've beaten Montell Griffin, maybe.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Bhopreign View Post
                    Funny I dont see any Jones fans commenting on this one. But when their boy is "weight drained" they let you know it.
                    Because it's a lame excuse.

                    He was so weight drained he put on one of his best performances ever (AT SUPER MIDDLE) only four months before he fought Jones.

                    According to you guys - in a span of four months - he went down to 168, up to 214, then back down to 168.

                    Right.

                    This is James Toney we're talking about. He ALWAYS had weight issues. It was only an excuse when he got his ass kicked. This is the same James Toney who ballooned to 230lbs a year before fighting Jirov and then ****** himself down to 190. I suppose if he lost then it would've been an excuse too.

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