How would Ali fare in todays HW division?

[kafkod]

Ali would have modern day training and nutrition

That's something few people take into account when they compare fighters of different eras.

If Ali was boxing today he would have been born and raised in the 1980's or 90's, not the early 1940's. So he would have had better nutrition since childhood, not just while training.

People, on average are bigger now than their parents and grandparents, because of better nutrition and higher calorie intake while growing.

Ali was a big heavyweight for his day. Take that into account and imagine him maybe 6.4 or 6.5, instead of 6.3, and weighing in at around 235/40 lbs.

He'd be a little slower, yes, but stronger, and the talent that made him such a great boxer would still be there.

[low blows]

Jennings has a better physique than Ali did as a true heavyweight (190 lbs doesn't count.. By 230 Ali was getting fat) much less ali's disgusting exercise allergic opponents like buster mathis and joe frazier.

Better focus on the alleged "skill gap". The every modern hw is Chris Arreola angle is spent. Historical heavies had one thing going for them... They were American.

Even low quality barroom/caveman-style fighters like Frazier who lost athletics tournaments to a race car driver and couldn't run 100 yards without having an asthma attack despite being an average sized guy got enough media exposure to seem like epic wins in that claustrophobic era.

That pathetic low garbage standard was a "clash of the titans" when network TV and the mob were on the same page and the world outside of the US/UK was just starting to take interest.

Joe Frazier was never fat in his prime. He was a short smallish heavyweight for his era. In his prime at 195 he was quite low body fat. After he beat Ali he ballooned up when he fought local heroes like Daniels and Stander but those were tune up fights. Diet and nutritional knowledge were basic compared to today. So were training methods. Frazier only did a morning run, then ate breakfast took a short nap then did warm up exercises, then worked on his skills and sparred for a few hours and after that took the day off and ate on schedule.

These days Wlad does that in the morning/early afternoon and in the evening he would do more exercises.

[Elroy1]

With modern day training meaning for pure athleticism and strength and nutrition for size, it would make him more competitive but the fact remains he was a bummy boxer!

The guy just didn't have enough skills to compete today! Plain and simple! That rubbish was fine back in the day but who is it gonna threaten today?

Tyson Fury is a modern day Ali. It takes a guy the size of Fury who has similar skillset to make that work.

No matter how much training or food you pumped into Ali, he would never have been as formidable as Fury.

That is just a fact, get over it!

As for if he was trained in modern skills, well then OBVIOUSLY he would no longer even BE Muhammad Ali!

If you taught him to dodge punches, to hit properly and all that stuff, he would no longer be the punch bag weakling you all love anyway!

[Elroy1]

Joe Frazier was never fat in his prime. He was a short smallish heavyweight for his era. In his prime at 195 he was quite low body fat. After he beat Ali he ballooned up when he fought local heroes like Daniels and Stander but those were tune up fights. Diet and nutritional knowledge were basic compared to today. So were training methods. Frazier only did a morning run, then ate breakfast took a short nap then did warm up exercises, then worked on his skills and sparred for a few hours and after that took the day off and ate on schedule.

These days Wlad does that in the morning/early afternoon and in the evening he would do more exercises.

Joe Frazier prime 195lbs?

His best win was Ali when he weighed 210+lbs.

195lbs is not even a real HW. In fact you'll struggle to find any Cruiser coming in as that even on weigh in!

And how experienced was Joe at that weight too?

This myth is busted and this poster should be boycotted for such baseless trash talk.

He was a fat little bum mate. Deal with it!

[Elroy1]

He beat Haye and Jennings convincingly.

More the point as if Haye and Jennings wouldn't have simply destroyed Ali themselves anyway.

Look at Ali, look at them!

[Elroy1]

joe frazier had bad stamina?

is that what you're trying to tell me?

It's not hard to go 15 ****ing rounds when you weigh as much as a modern HW's leg, barely ****ing move your body and hit with all the power of an electric shaver you ****in idiot!

Ali lost to about 11 bums and cruisers!

Norton, x3
Frazier x2
Shavers
Lyle
Young
Jones
Holmes
Berbick

These fights which were given to Ali were blatant gifts and can't possibly viewed otherwise. He lost them!

Was extremely lucky, cheated and had strange circumstances in Foreman.

Some would say lost to Cooper also or atleast cheated to survive.

Then there was farcial scoring and other circumstances in many other fights also, we all know them.

None of these guys could box today man, Lyle and Foreman might have been able to have some success at low level but come on, a 220lb plodder puncher?

Unless you can move like Haye or something you ain't plodding at that weight OR hitting like Foreman did either.

[Weltschmerz]

Jennings has a better physique than Ali did as a true heavyweight (190 lbs doesn't count.. By 230 Ali was getting fat) much less ali's disgusting exercise allergic opponents like buster mathis and joe frazier.

Better focus on the alleged "skill gap". The every modern hw is Chris Arreola angle is spent. Historical heavies had one thing going for them... They were American.

Even low quality barroom/caveman-style fighters like Frazier who lost athletics tournaments to a race car driver and couldn't run 100 yards without having an asthma attack despite being an average sized guy got enough media exposure to seem like epic wins in that claustrophobic era.

That pathetic low garbage standard was a "clash of the titans" when network TV and the mob were on the same page and the world outside of the US/UK was just starting to take interest.

Excellent points made.

[Mick6]

Please tell me you are just trolling.