Comments Thread For: Warren: DeGale, Even With Jack Win, is Far Away From Calzaghe

[Tomjas]

DeGale's resume is miles ahead of Calzaghe at similar stages of their career

[123tommy]

at the 20-25 fight mark Degale's way ahead of Joe.The Lacy fight was Joe's 41st.Headlining in America is giant at this point.

[Straightener]

Captain obvious !

Joe was a one off , underated and underestimated

One the best British fighters of all time . Not that he will ever get credit for that ... but he was

[ShoulderRoll]

Degale's resume is already comparable if not better than Joe Calzaghe's. Wouldn't you say?

[IronDanHamza]

He needs to beat Jack, move up to LHW and beat Ward, Kovalev and Stevenson, or at least go 2-1 against those 3, or 2-0 (just fight 2 of them) to tie Calzaghe. If he goes 2-0 against them, then beats Barrera, Beterbiev, Smith Jr, Cleverly he surpasses Calzaghe. He needs to catch the winner of the supposed Ward-Kovalev rematch right after it because they will be worn out from going 24 rounds with each other but the easier fight to make in the meantime is Stevenson because he's a Haymon fighter. DeGale getting Ward on his resume as a win is key to tying Calzaghe.

So Degale has to go and have amazing wins to tie with a guy who's resume is garbage?

Degale's resume isn't that far from Calzaghe's as it stands let alone if he were to beat the Andre Ward's and Serghey Kovalev's of the world.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

DeGale is nowhere near Calzaghe level at this point. I don't ever see him getting there or on level with Froch either. Calzaghe-Froch? Now that would have been fun.

[daggum]

if he beats another 20 bums after jack and a 46 year old ggg by SD then he will match him

[robertzimmerman]

yeah as much as i like degale he'll never be as good as calzaghe. But no 168 fighter in history ever has been as good as joe.

How would you know?

[robertzimmerman]

He needs to beat Jack, move up to LHW and beat Ward, Kovalev and Stevenson, or at least go 2-1 against those 3, or 2-0 (just fight 2 of them) to tie Calzaghe. If he goes 2-0 against them, then beats Barrera, Beterbiev, Smith Jr, Cleverly he surpasses Calzaghe. He needs to catch the winner of the supposed Ward-Kovalev rematch right after it because they will be worn out from going 24 rounds with each other but the easier fight to make in the meantime is Stevenson because he's a Haymon fighter. DeGale getting Ward on his resume as a win is key to tying Calzaghe.

This is absolute nonsense.

If James beat Ward, Kovalev and Stevenson at LHW, his resume would be light years ahead.

If he beat any of those 2, especially Ward, it would be.

He wouldn't also need to beat Beterbiev to surpass him.

You've got to be joking.

Joe's biggest win was against Kessler, and he only moved up to LHW when Bernard and Roy were faded.

Joe would NEVER have fought guys like Ward and Kovalev in their prime. Not a chance.

[robertzimmerman]

I can't count the Calzaghe-Jones fight as meaningless. Yes Jones wasn't as good as he once was and had lost the aura of invincibility. However he had never and still has never been as comprehensively outboxed, totally clowned and beaten up. You can't say age was an issue as they were both getting on and both had relied on their speed throughout their careers, speed which was diminishing. Power is the last thing you lose though and nobody but Calzaghe has given Jones free shots and laughed back in his face.

It was a meaningless fight despite the ring title, an exhibition at most and not too dissimilar to Hagler-Leonard... but what an exhibition it was.

I can't help thinking Calzaghes biggest enemy was Sky Sports. Boxing was no longer free to air while Sky and subscription satellite tv still a relatively new thing without the viewership it enjoys today. It took him years to start generating the money and interest needed to put himself in contention for the top fights. Unfortunately they were the same years most boxers hit their peak and he was essentially left treading water.

In his physical prime the only opportunities he got to go against the other title holders were immediately after they had lost theirs. A shame really as a super six style tourney back then could have been incredible.

A terrible post.


Jones wasn't as good as he once was?

No ****!

He was 3-3 in his previous 6, and he hadn't had a top level win for 5 years.

He wasn't even half of the fighter he'd been in his prime.

Glen Johnson had bullied him and knocked him cold over 4 years earlier.


You can't say age was an issue?

Are you for real?

Roy was 2 months away from his 40th birthday.

Although Joe was 36, he was still an elite fighter, coming off of 2 of his best wins.



Man, posts like these kill me.

Joe was nothing but a scavenger.

He wanted NOTHING to do with Roy, when Roy was anywhere near his best, but he was happy to fight him when he knew he was finished.

Pathetic.


Here's an excerpt from his 2007 autobiography:

"A fight with Jones would now be pointless. He's no longer a great fighter. And neither is Tarver. Tarver only beat him when he was shot, and Johnson did the same"


Nobody out boxed him like Joe?

You mean other than Tarver and Johnson years earlier?


A prime version of Roy would have ruined Joe. Which is why Joe defended a lightly regarded WBO belt in a relatively weak division for 10 years.


What an exhibition it was?

Clowning a guy who he wouldn't have dared to fight when he was prime?

Sort yourself out.


Joe's biggest enemy wasn't Sky.

It was himself.

Again, he defended a lightly regarded WBO belt 21 times, with only 6/7 of those defences being mandatories. He sometimes starved himself to make weight, even though he couldn't unify with Ottke, and there was nothing on the horizon at the time. He wouldn't fight in the U.S. or at LHW until he was 36, and he was more than happy to fight the guys who Frank W put in front of him.