Why Does Ali Get Credit For Beating a Shot Frazier?

[lefthook2daliva]

Don't blaspheme here, idiot.

[edgarg]

I don't think he took enough punishment against Foreman for it to really effect him. The fight didn't go long enough and Joe went down when he got hit. Its the fighters that can take the punches and continue to get hit over a long fight that are really effected. I think Joe would have been KO'd quick against Foreman in their second fight if he was really that shot. And as for being too short, I think Joe made his height work for him just like Tyson did. If Joe was a pure boxer, it would be a different story.

frazier was on the verge of being KO'd at any moment of the second fight. His legs were gone, and he was sloow.

[Jack Napier]

both guys were past prime, but neither was shot
the trilogy is epic, defining fights for both guys
why wouldn't Ali get credit, and why say Joe was shot?

[edgarg]

Frazier didn't fight like a shot fighter at all that night

but Ali is Ali. he tends to get pleasantly remembered. people like to act like he wasn't public enemy #1 during his prime and had racist jokes/punchlines for white boys too

Ali was an anti-white racist and anti-Jew racist, as soon as he became a Black Muslim. His low IQ made him easy to "convert". Except for boxing, and a quick tongue, he was as ignorant as hell and got away with it because a mafia run thug like Liston had been Champ and Ali had good management and script writers..

Most people think that Ali went to jail for his principles, the guy never spent a day in jail, he was out on bail all the time whilst his lawyers were creating legal stumbling blocks. Cosell, who was Jewish was too full of his own importance and arrogance, in bucking the then public sentiment about Ali so as to publicly support and back him, never realised at the time that Ali hated Jews and whites. He realised it later in life.

[horge]

Both fighters get credit for putting on a hell of a fight, but
Smokin' Joe far more than Ali, if we're to be honest.

Doesn't matter that Ali's handlers THOUGHT Joe was shot,
Joe trained like a fuckin' maniac in a warehouse far from
central Manila, while Ali took his own fight-prep lightly.

If Joe's corner hadn't kept him on his stool in the 14th rd,
(for the state of his eyes) he might have actually won the
fight, because Ali himself was ready to quit.

[Daddy T]

anybody who actually watched that fight could see frazier was not shot - past prime sure ... so was ali ... but shot? no way he still had enough fight in him beat all but the very best

[The Noose]

Because it was an epic brutal punishing war. An because both men gave it everything they had.

Regardless of where either fighter was in their career, it was a battle of wills. Ali barely survived. He deserves credit. As does Frazier.

[FloydMeyweather]

Because Boxingscene doesn't exist back then.

[Mr. Philadel]

same reason you give Frazier credit for being the FIRST man to beat Ali even though Ali was on the shelf for a few years because of the draft thing....yea he had a tune up or two(don't remember how many tune ups he had) but Joe was on a different level than those lambs who were sacrificed....Ali's crtiicism usually comes from outside the culture....for whatever reasons I just can't call it....smh

[GoogleMe]

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