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Question about the ending of INTERSTELLAR......MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR SPOILERS!!!!!!!
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The wormhole and the black hole were two different things as well. When Cooper went into the black hole, he entered the dimension the future beings created for him to relay the data from within the black hole to Murph, so they could save teh rest of the humans on earth as well. When this was done, the beings closed the tesseract and kicked Cooper back through the wormhole into our solar system near Saturn, but more time had passed and by that point, Murph had helped save humanity with the data and we'd built space stations near Saturn by the wormhole.
There is ALWAYS the time travel paradox though. It was clearly explained that these beings, which were revealed in the film itself to be future humans in the 5th dimension, created the wormhole there. But how did the humans survive in the first place without the wormhole.......because to be the descendants from Plan B which was completed when Cooper sacrificed himself so Amelia could get to Edmunds planet for the colonization plan.....they still would have needed to wormhole to even get to the other planets and everything.
It's the same time travel paradox from Terminator. If John Connor sent Kyle Reese back into time and he had sex with his mom to create him....how was he created in the first place???
If the future humans created the wormhole as explained in the film, then how did they survive in the first place without the wormhole???
I'm sure Nolan did this intentionally to spark conversation about the ending and what it meant. It was still a great movie IMO.
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The only way Nolan could have avoided the paradox, by maintaining it was still future human beings in the 5th dimension that created the tesseract/extra dimension within the black hole to save the rest of humanity......was for the wormhole to be a naturally occurring thing. We know theoretically wormholes could exists, there's obviously no evidence one way or another, and we have no clue if they could spontaneously form out in space. So he could have had the wormhole be a naturally occurring thing which they traveled through, Cooper sacrifices himself and dies in the black hole, but humanity is saved because he ensures Amelia gets to Edmunds planet and starts Plan B.
Way way way way into the future, those descendants from Plan B have evolved into 5th dimensional beings that can use gravity to go through time, and create the tesseract for Cooper to relay data back to Murph to ensure the rest of humanity could be saved as well.
The only way he could have done that without a time travel paradox.
Either way, still a great movie.
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Originally posted by 4Corners View Post........The tesseract that Cooper fell into was clearly described in the film as a dimension created for him by future beings, which Cooper then figured out was "us"......future human beings that had evolved into 5th dimensional beings that could use gravity and time as they pleased.
It was their minds and consciousness that created the observable state of reality represented as a tesseract inside the singularity.
Originally posted by 4Corners View PostThe wormhole and the black hole were two different things as well. When Cooper went into the black hole, he entered the dimension the future beings created for him to relay the data from within the black hole to Murph, so they could save teh rest of the humans on earth as well. When this was done, the beings closed the tesseract and kicked Cooper back through the wormhole into our solar system near Saturn, but more time had passed and by that point, Murph had helped save humanity with the data and we'd built space stations near Saturn by the wormhole.
There was literally zero evidence of any "higher" beings in the entire movie. It was only coop, and only because he entered the singularity and only because his connection to murph was unbreakable.
When he entered into the black hole, into that state of all time, possibility and dimension occuring at a single point in skewed boundaries of time and space, he refused to go gentle into the good night, and it was the fire that burned inside him that manifested the observable tesseract through his conciousness, and love which remains unchanged in all states of possibility that connected him to murph.Last edited by DARKSEID; 11-10-2014, 09:37 AM.
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"Time travel" is only good for fiction (and some formalism in physics)...
... Nothing (and nobody) is able to "travel" back and forth in "Time", simply because "Time" is a mean of measuring systems, processes, etc. The measurement is performed with the help of other systems (time-keeping mechanisms)... "Time" per se doesn't even exist as physical being/entity/field/"dimension"...
Time (as "history") can be perceived as a "chain" of events, systems' states...
Time doesn't "pass"... instead events happen, processes unfold, transformations occur...
("Time keepers" are "mechanisms" functioning with matter components moving at a certain pace...)
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Originally posted by MDPopescu View Post"Time travel" is only good for fiction (and some formalism in physics)...
... Nothing (and nobody) is able to "travel" back and forth in "Time", simply because "Time" is a mean of measuring systems, processes, etc. The measurement is performed with the help of other systems (time-keeping mechanisms)... "Time" per se doesn't even exist as physical being/entity/field/"dimension"...
Time (as "history") can be perceived as a "chain" of events, systems' states...
Time doesn't "pass"... instead events happen, processes unfold, transformations occur...
("Time keepers" are "mechanisms" functioning with matter components moving at a certain pace...)
And in that state of singularity, it was only his conciousness and love that fixated him to murph inside the singularity where all time and all possibility existed at once.Last edited by DARKSEID; 11-10-2014, 09:46 AM.
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A "black hole" stands for a astrophysical environment where all the laws of physics are collapsing -- the so called "space-time" included. As nobody really knows whats really happening in a "black hole", everyone might speculate on "black holes", even the greatest physicists... But such speculations are pure "metaphysics" and not "science"...
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Originally posted by MDPopescu View PostA "black hole" stands for a astrophysical environment where all the laws of physics are collapsing -- the so called "space-time" included. As nobody really knows whats really happening in a "black hole", everyone might speculate on "black holes", even the greatest physicists... But such speculations are pure "metaphysics" and not "science"...
The tesseract and wormholes are only representations of what could happen, what might happen.Last edited by DARKSEID; 11-10-2014, 09:53 AM.
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Originally posted by - Righteous - View PostThere was no time travel in the movie. Anne hathaway even confirmed it was impossible. Inside the black hole singularity, time was non-linear. It didn't go forward or backward. All of time was represented as a constant. Cooper didn't go back in time, he just entered a state where all of time existed at once.
And in that state of singularity, it was only his conciousness and love that fixated him to murph.
What you say here ("a state where all of time existed at once") sounds familiar when one accepts the theory of "multiverses" -- which gain some support recently...
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Originally posted by - Righteous - View PostIt's a movie bruh, not a documentary. The movie was created by the unknowns.
The tesseract and wormholes are only representations of what could happen, what might happen.
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