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Double Standards? Haye needs a fight before Klitschko? But Pavlik Doesn't before Joe?
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Originally posted by Jim Jeffries View PostYou don't see the difference between moving up 5 pounds and the huge jump between CW and HW? Plus Guzman has been a champ for over 6 years. Haye won his first title less than a year ago.
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Originally posted by Zocalo View PostThere is no difference. If you are going to apply a rule to someone, make sure it applies to everyone.
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Originally posted by Tunney View PostAre you DiegoFuego's alt? Your posts are just as ******ed as his.
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Originally posted by kenso View Posthaye is moving up in a division where people are upwards of 50 pounds heavier than him
joe is like seven pounds heavier than kelly.
that said, i think if kelly is going to beat joe it will be soon, i dont think the weight is the problem, i think its kelly facing elite opposition. wins over hopkins and maybe kessler would put him right in with joe, but thing is, we don't know when joe will retire. so pavlik needs to hop on that match ASAP.
Haye unified at CW, has fought an official HW fight already in devasting winning form. He's also fought above the CW so basically HW, a few time times aside from that. Pavliks not unified at MW, has not official to my knowledge fought at SMW, and has just a couple of fights above the MW, so catch weights basically.
In some ways Dawson has a more legitimate case for a fight with Calzaghe.
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Originally posted by !! Mr. Soprano View PostOK Let's See:
Pavlik:
Miranda
Taylor
Taylor
Lockett (another Brit trained by Calzaghe Sr.)
Hopkins (next)
Haye:
Other than Mormeck, is there another name on his resume???
Next? Wait, he doesn't have a Next...
I say bring out the HW King and give Haye a shot. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
Case closed!
Pavlik has a very impressive resume....He deserves a shot at Calzaghe
Hypejob Haye has a weak resume....he partially unified the weakest division in boxing (cruiserweight) by beating weak title holders old, shot Mormeck and useless Welshman Macca.....He DOES NOT deserve a shot at Wlad.Last edited by WLAD OWNS; 09-23-2008, 01:23 PM.
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Originally posted by Thadrow View Postwoah. Joe doesnt have more power than Pav. his speed consists of bullrushing you with slapping combinations where thats why he wins on slapping workrate. his stamina is good cause those slaps have nothing behing them. good chin? yeah but not a more complete fighter, sorry
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Originally posted by WLAD OWNS View PostExactly
Pavlik has a very impressive resume....He deserves a shot at Calzaghe
Hypejob Haye has a weak resume....he partially unified the weakest division in boxing (cruiserweight) by beating weak title holders old, shot Mormeck and useless Welshman Macca.....He DOES NOT deserve a shot at Wlad.
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Originally posted by kenso View Posthaye is moving up in a division where people are upwards of 50 pounds heavier than him
joe is like seven pounds heavier than kelly.
that said, i think if kelly is going to beat joe it will be soon, i dont think the weight is the problem, i think its kelly facing elite opposition. wins over hopkins and maybe kessler would put him right in with joe, but thing is, we don't know when joe will retire. so pavlik needs to hop on that match ASAP.
Pac and JMM move up to lightweight and get immediate shots at the title.
This is why it was such a huge accomplishment for RJJ and James Toney to come from the MW division and take HW titles. Heavyweight boxers are usually just built for that division and any one moving up may not belong there.
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Originally posted by abadger View PostJoe Calzaghe is a massively more complete fighter than Kelly Pavlik. He beat Hopkins on workrate, but I assume you haven't seen the boxing lessons he handed to Kessler and Lacy?
At the end of the day: Lacy and Kessler.
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