Originally posted by U Got Punished
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So let's talk about Paul Williams and the Hall of Fame
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He was not there yet on accomplishment but I think theres a shout for him entering on compassionate grounds
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Williams isn't remotely close to a HOFer. He's just a champion of today, one of many. The very greatest of each era are HOFers, not every champion.
The legends of the game are the guys that become HOFers. Bopkins, Mayweather, Pac, Barrera, Morales, Marquez, etc etc.
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The Punisher sadly won't make it to the hall of fame. But not because he wasn't good enough to be. But simply because the stars, legends & current money makers didn't give him the chance like Oscar gave them. I know it's hard for some fans to keep it real, but the welterweight version of Paul beats the 3 best welterweights of this era. Who are Floyd, Pacman & Cotto.
Some say but Margarito is his best win & who is he?? The Margarito Punisher beat was only the most avoided champ at the time. Nothing special. He was however good enough to show up to a Floyd interview & damn near make him crap his pants. He was good enough to bring out the famous Roach quote, "we're brave, but not that brave". He was also good enough to endure the early Cotto assault & pummel Miguel into oblivion. That's the Margarito he beat.
The Punisher at his best could easily be the best fighter at 147-154. He owned a win over Martinez, could have gone either way but the scrap was close. The big three dared not whisper his name & it's not his fault the perceived best fighters didn't want it & that's the truth take that to the bank.
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everybody see things differently....ever since the HOF let Sylvester Stallone in for his fake fights...just think, dude banked more for those fake fights with fake punches and fake cuts and fake blood...than REAL fighters bank for real punches, real cuts and real blood....so I say Paul is a sure shot in my book...even if they don't OFFICIALLY let him in(I doubt he gets in) he'll still be seen as a HOF'er in my book....Big Pun was a REAL fighter....flawed, but he bought it everytime...nuff respect!!
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I have him borderline, because it was so hard for the dude to land big name/money fights. I was never even a big fan, but he was undoubtedly avoided by lots of guys. He ducked no one & called out everyone. Not his fault.
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Originally posted by SekondzOut View Posteverybody see things differently....ever since the HOF let Sylvester Stallone in for his fake fights...just think, dude banked more for those fake fights with fake punches and fake cuts and fake blood...than REAL fighters bank for real punches, real cuts and real blood....so I say Paul is a sure shot in my book...even if they don't OFFICIALLY let him in(I doubt he gets in) he'll still be seen as a HOF'er in my book....Big Pun was a REAL fighter....flawed, but he bought it everytime...nuff respect!!
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Originally posted by SekondzOut View Posteverybody see things differently....ever since the HOF let Sylvester Stallone in for his fake fights...just think, dude banked more for those fake fights with fake punches and fake cuts and fake blood...than REAL fighters bank for real punches, real cuts and real blood....so I say Paul is a sure shot in my book...even if they don't OFFICIALLY let him in(I doubt he gets in) he'll still be seen as a HOF'er in my book....Big Pun was a REAL fighter....flawed, but he bought it everytime...nuff respect!!
There is a difference in the section that Stallone is in to what fighters go in. Huge difference, don't confuse the two.
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