Originally posted by Khmelnytsky
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Why do Cubans get lazy when they come to America?
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Originally posted by joe strong View Postdidnt russian guys have to do military service?
Originally posted by CubanGuyNYC View PostAgreed. The Cuban amateur style is much more geared to winning medals. It's all about points. That approach just doesn't work in the pros, unless you're preternaturally gifted like Floyd Mayweather, Jr. (Even Floyd is more inclined to engage than some of these Cubans.) It only makes the transition to pro more difficult.
I'm not familiar with the careers of many of the men you mention. Did many of them start their pro careers in their mid to late twenties, even thirties?
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Originally posted by BoxeoBoriqua View PostLife in Cuba is hard. In the USA, hard work, relentless focus and determination can get a good life. Not a wealthy or a rich one but a good nice life. In Cuba, u aint ammounting to **** with their government. Living there and then coming here is like a different world. Its like not being allowed to have sex and being a 25 year old virgin and then going to a place where u gettin some good, good p*ssy every other day. A dude will not know how to act after been deprieved of it for so long u feel me.
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Originally posted by joe strong View Posti dont think its pathetic at all...different people adapt to new enviorments differently.many of the asian & eastern european men had to do military service(not all countries)so they at least develope discipline through that.ibragimov,maskaev,etc...they were able to maintain their discipline throughout their careers where as guys like solis,jorge luis gonzalez,juan carlos gomez were unable to maintain a high level of discipline because they enjoyed the fastlane lifestyle that they were not exposed to in cuba.not everyone handles the spotlight well & some get too complacent & think they can get by alone on talent(solis & gomez). the klitschkos are from the old soviet regime which helped mold them into the athletes they are today.its a little different in the caribbean then in eastern europe...
and guys from Eastern Europe, Asia, South America were exposed to glitz and glamour and the 'fastlane' before coming to America unlike Cubans? You're doing a horrible job trying to argue your position. the differences you're trying to highlight simply don't exist or certianly not to the extent you're claiming.
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asians,europeans,etc...can get work visas & leave their respective countries to go work as temporary foreign workers....we have boat loads of them in canada,many eastern europeans speak several languages & can move from country to country....cubans can leave if they are married or have someone to sponsor them which puts the sponsor on the hook for 5 years here in canada....not easy to leave cuba...why do you think they DEFECT on rafts & speed boats or through international competitions where they vanish fromtheir hotels? sorry your arguement is not as valid as you think....khmel
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Originally posted by Khmelnytsky View PostVirtually all of these things can be said about fighters from Eastern Europe (or Asia, South America and alot of other places) yet i don't see them being completely undisciplined, becoming obese, or simply giving up on their one meal ticket once it's right in front of them with so many of their athletes.
Joe Strong's 'poor kid from the ghetto' excuse is particularly pathetic. Pacquiao's poverty > Tyson's. Russian poverty in the 90's > Tyson's.
asians & other ethnicities come to america work hard & they always end up being successful members of society & become productive professionals or successful business men. Some people are just quite the opposite.
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Originally posted by oj simpson View Postgreat post.
asians & other ethnicities come to america work hard & they always end up being successful members of society & become productive professionals or successful business men. Some people are just quite the opposite.
Also, are you implying that ALL Cubans who come to America are lazy....you shouldnt genealize like that because Im sure there are many Cubans who leave come to America and work hard.....
You also have to remeber that these Cubans are not allowed to return, unlike the Easter Europeans and Asian fighters.......most boxers that become successful from Africa, Asia and Eastern Europe all still live in their native country (Clottey for one...got 1mil for the Pac fight and still lives in Ghana)
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I wouldn't say "LAZY"...probably get TOO COMFORTABLE though...ESPECIALLY IN MIAMI! Just because you Turn Pro and your making Money now does not mean "YOU MADE IT"...must people in America don't know about their LEGENDARY AMATEUR CAREERS nor do they care so your basically starting OVER
If I was a Manager or Trainer or Promoter I would get my Fighter the hell out of Miami for one, it is just too much going on in Miami, HOW CAN YOU STAY FOCUSED...ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE WOMEN IN MIAMI lol
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Originally posted by KnockUTheFukOut View PostI wouldn't say "LAZY"...probably get TOO COMFORTABLE though...ESPECIALLY IN MIAMI! Just because you Turn Pro and your making Money now does not mean "YOU MADE IT"...must people in America don't know about their LEGENDARY AMATEUR CAREERS nor do they care so your basically starting OVER
If I was a Manager or Trainer or Promoter I would get my Fighter the hell out of Miami for one, it is just too much going on in Miami, HOW CAN YOU STAY FOCUSED...ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE WOMEN IN MIAMI lol
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