Why was it that Ray Robinson was the best?

[JAB5239]

Well it's not a fact that Robinson is the best. I have heard numerous people over the years have a different fighter as the best to ever lace on the gloves etc Henry Amstrong, Harry Greb, Sam Langford, Muhammad Ali, Willie Pep etc.

But the majority of the boxing world feel Ray Robinson is the greatest prizefighter of all time and for good reason. Ray Leonard once said ''A lot of people say there was a comparision between Sugar Ray Robinson and Sugar Ray Leonard.'' ''Belive me, the was no comparison''

Robinson's resume of victories, consistencey, and skills combined are unmatched in the history of boxing. Robinson's sole loss in his first 132 bouts was to Jake Lamotta, which he avenged 5 times.

Nat Fleischer once wrote in Ring Magazine “Robinson hit the spotlight as the greatest all around fighter, pound for pound, in any division.” They have been saying it about Robinson ever since. The term “pound for pound” has come to exemplify the stature of Ray Robinson as the greatest fighter in boxing history.

Robinson had it all. Magnificent footwork, balance, co-ordination, rhythm, reflexes, precision, extremly fast hands and feet, vicious killer instinct, knockout power, anvil chin, stamina, and ring generalship.

Robinson(whose real name was Walker Smith) at his peak was a near perfect fighting machine.

He was number one ranked Lightweight Contender and defeated Champion Sammy Angott in a non title affair. He was never beaten as a Lightweight or Welterweight, won the Middleweight Title 5 times and come close to winning the LHW Title until the heat got the better of him......

His resume of wins is argubaly the best in the history of boxing in a career that spanned three decades.

Ray Robinson's Resume Of Wins
-Pete Lello
-Sammy Angott
-Marty Servo (42-0)
-Fritzie Zivic
-Jake LaMotta
-Izzy Jannazzo
-Al Nettlow
-California Jackie Wilson
-Ralph Zannelli
-Henry Armstrong
-Tommy Bell
-Cecil Hudson
-Kid Gavilan
-Steve Belloise
-George Costner
-Robert Villemain
-Charley Fusari
-Jose Basora
-Bobo Olson
-Bobby Dykes
-Cyrille Delannoit
-Randy Turpin
-Rocky Graziano
-Gene Fullmer
-Carmen Basilio
-Denny Moyer

Ray Robinson's Accomplishments
-Rated By Ring Magazine As Greatest Fighter Of All Time
-Just 1 Loss In First 132 Bouts
-Rated Pound For Pound Best Fighter On The Planet
-Muhhamad Ali Called Him Greatest Fighter P4P Fighter Of All Time
-Never Defeated At Welterweight or Lightweight
-Won Middleweight Title 5 Times
-Named The Ring Fighter of the Year for 1942 and 1951
-Named "Fighter of the Century" as well as "Best Middleweight & Best Welterweight of the Century" by The Associated Press in 1999
-Max Schmeling, Ike Williams, and Muhhamad Ali Called Him The Greatest Fighter Of All Time.

Great post as usual, JFB.

[JAB5239]

No? Good. Then you can stop pulling me pants and fook off, innit?

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I'm not looking for a debate with a person who would never change his mind or say anything negative about his 2 favorite fighters. YOU are the one who wants a debate, mate. And if you want that, it's up to you to start one not me.

Nice way to duck me there Slimey. So glad this is a public forum and everyone can see how I make you tuck tail and run.

[JFB629]

Great post as usual, JFB.

Thank You Jab. I would also like to say you in your own right are a fine poster who's a big part of the history section and always wanting to learn.

[StarshipTrooper]

Nice way to duck me there Slimey. So glad this is a public forum and everyone can see how I make you tuck tail and run.

Of course, expecting Slimey Poophead to man up to anything is a bridge to far methinks. He doesn't debate because he can't debate: All the little bottom-feeding trashbag troll can do is run his c0ckwasher

Poet

[Slimey Limey]

Nice way to duck me there Slimey. So glad this is a public forum and everyone can see how I make you tuck tail and run.

I'm the one challenging you, mate so don't try to switch roles here. So you're the one that shows he doesn't even dare to say anything negative about his 2 idols. Atleast other posters would take the chance and not be affraid to tell me why Gay is better than Louis. Is it that hard to do? I thought you knew boxing mate.

[Slimey Limey]

Of course, expecting Slimey Poophead to man up to anything is a bridge to far methinks. He doesn't debate because he can't debate: All the little bottom-feeding trashbag troll can do is run his c0ckwasher

Poet

Go gargle a grenade you uneducated, bottom-feeding troll

Poet

At least he's curious enough as someone new to the sport to want to learn about it; as opposed to a lot of NSB morons who don't know **** all. How about trying to enlighten him without being a azzhole?

Poet

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This fat, teethless out of shape depressed individual is calling me a troll when those are the only posts he made in this thread.

[JAB5239]

Only someone unfamiliar with his opposition or circumstances of the era would dismiss it.

Ok, who has a better resume, and why?

Sorry, Joe Louis resume isn't even close to Robinsons, and the Brown Bomber's resume is pretty damn good. Try again. This time back your claim with facts and logical reasoning please.

I'll tell you what, why don't you tell me exactly why you think Louis' resume is better (you are the one who made that claim after all) and I'll happily explain to you why you are wrong yet again. Lets go Slimey, time to man up or shut up.

You want me to change me mind, and I feel like I don't need to because i'm comfortable with me rankings so I don't need to justify meself to anybody. YOU disagree with me, so it's up to YOU to explain to me in detail why Louis is not as good as Robinson.

Just admit you're too affraid to say anything negative about either of them and move on. Take it or leave it, mate. Chicken****e.

I don't want you to change your mind at all. I want you to tell me WHY you think Louis has a better resume than Robinson so I can formulate a defense. How can I debate you if you won't tell me the points you are trying to make to solidify your opinion?

No? Good. Then you can stop pulling me pants and fook off, innit?

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I'm not looking for a debate with a person who would never change his mind or say anything negative about his 2 favorite fighters. YOU are the one who wants a debate, mate. And if you want that, it's up to you to start one not me.

I'm the one challenging you, mate so don't try to switch roles here. So you're the one that shows he doesn't even dare to say anything negative about his 2 idols. Atleast other posters would take the chance and not be affraid to tell me why Gay is better than Louis. Is it that hard to do? I thought you knew boxing mate.

I think I've just proved again what a liar you are. You just don't want to get into it because you know I'll piss all over your sorry opinions again as usual. Now man up or just quit trolling. When ANYBODY makes a claim, especially one that is specific, it is up to THEM to prove it. Im not gonna play this childish game where you say Louis' resume is better but refuse to state reasons though.

[GJC]

I'm not saying he was a bum, this is about him being #1 ever, so i'm comparing him to the real greatest fighters of the sport and that is where you can see that he's overrated.

No problem with you not ranking him as the top P4P thats fair enough there have been a lot of great fighters, Greb has a fantastic record for example. Problem is you don't rate him at all, where do you rank him as a MW or WW, I've seen he doesn't make your top 3 so I'm curious where then?
For my money he might not have been the greatest ever but I haven't seen anyone better.

[GJC]

Here's a brutal one for ya lad: Joe Louis
Tell me what you think about that one(It would be a healthy brain storm for you seeing as how these 2 are your idols and you have never said anything non-extremely positive about them)

Jeez you loath Louis!
So if we try and then say Louis is the best you will throw up SRR's name right?
You just have nothing to contribute and take up the contrary position for attention.
So you must obviously agree that Louis was a fantastic fighter that he has a resume to compare with Robinson's right?

[billionaire]

and what u see of his highlights werent his best perfomances...ask bret sugar and the rest...the best of his fights were not captured on flim...!

hahaha how can you possibly fall for this? and who cares about his amateur record...he was 6 feet fighting at 130......personally i think louis ali and holmes are better call me crazy....