What does Ward's win over Kessler say about Calzaghe?

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haters will always find a way to hate...cazlaghe could have knocked out ali in his prime, and someone would find a way to say the win doesnt mean **** because ali ws terrible and/or washed up...

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What does Ward's win over Kessler say about Calzaghe?

That he doesn't use his head as much as Ward.

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calzaghe couldn't handle sakio bika come on now. he's gonna beat ward? don't be a silly fanboy.

He beat and broke Popkins' record for defending his title 21 times.

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He beat and broke Popkins' record for defending his title 21 times.

well hopkins fought at middleweight which was a much better division. super middle is known as the hide out division where you go to disappear.

hopkins also fought 16 out of 20 against top 10 rated competition. calzaghe only fought 8 out of 21 against top 10 rated competition. and manfredo is one of those 8 lol.

good fail though.

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Everything. EVERYTHING. It says EVERYTHING!

Because triangular logic is the ONLY way of determining who is the better fighter. Who is better, Foreman or Ali? Well Ali got beat by Frazier who got destroyed by Foreman so FOREMAN is the BEST! Who's better out of Hearns and Duran? Well Duran beat Leonard who beat Hagler who blasted out Hearns in three rounds so DURAN is better!

Who is better out of Vitali Klitschko and Hasim Rahman? Obviously as Rahman knocked out Lewis while Lewis stopped Klitschko then Rahman is the better fighter.

It's the ONLY logic that counts. The ONLY logic.

One of the more sensible posts I've seen since yesterday, but good luck getting this through to the local cavemen.


Ward deserves credit because he would have beaten Kessler with or without fouling -- it's simply down to styles -- but Calzaghe beat a better version of Kessler and did it clean without headbutts. There shouldn't even be an argument about that.


There's something to consider here, and it's not an excuse, it is a fact: Kessler has been fairly inactive since the Calzaghe fight, which was a little over two years ago. No thanks to Palle, he hasn't had a single competitive fight since then, only beating lackluster opponents and mandatory challengers who didn't really deserve to be in the same ring. In between this, he's been through a ton of legal crap while trying to break free of his contract with Palle for the reason that he wasn't getting good fights. This would be a major distraction to any fighter.


Calzaghe took the unbeaten Kessler's aura of invincibility at a time when he was on a roll and full of confidence. You could say Calzaghe laid the blueprint and exposed some of Kessler's weaknesses. I'm pretty sure Ward watched this fight closely and learned from it.


Both Ward and Calzaghe had a different approach, but both beat Kessler convincigly. Calzaghe won 9-3, or possibly 8-4. Ward took pretty much every round, but due to bad cuts that's not surprising because he couldn't see for a significant portion of the fight. As Kessler is somewhat of a late starter, under normal circumstances it's possible he could have taken some of the later rounds, although I doubt it. Again, not an excuse, because Ward could have won without headbutting, but you never know what can happen with Kessler -- it's not uncommon for him to knock his opponent out in the later rounds after breaking them down.


The problem with Kessler, is he's possibly too strict for his own good. He should have known, especially after seeing the Ward-Miranda fight, that he might have to dig deep and fight fire with fire. He will not cheat, though. You will never see him headbutting, and rarely will he even clinch. That's respectable, he's sticking to the rules of boxing, but dirty fighting is something you have to be prepared for. He wasn't.


In my opinion, Kessler is an excellent fighter, or at least, he was until Palle wrecked his career, but Ward has his number and that's all there is to it.



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TAKEN FROM ANOTHER THREAD:

posted by me

"No absolutely not. A lot of posters here hate Calzaghe to begin with so any chance they get, they will hate on him. When Jones beat Hopkins back in the day but Jones later lost to Glen Johnson, did that somehow tarnish Hopkins' record or accomplishments? Did Margarito's loss to Mosley tarnish Cotto's legacy too? The logic of some people makes no sense at times, even if you try to make it logical.

Kessler looked flabby and slow last night, I have never seen him that bad for some reason. Ward looked great but Kessler made it all that much easier by not engaging or doing anything at all. Kessler has utilized shoulder rolling and excellent balance in the past to destroy people but last night, he was stumbling all over the place and looked like a different guy.

I tell you, these people that hate on Joe should consider themselves lucky that he retired and is not a member of this tourny. Old Calslappy would be proving to ya'll once again why he has an undefeated record by cruising through this thing putting L's on the records of all the guys in it."

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Everything. EVERYTHING. It says EVERYTHING!

Because triangular logic is the ONLY way of determining who is the better fighter. Who is better, Foreman or Ali? Well Ali got beat by Frazier who got destroyed by Foreman so FOREMAN is the BEST! Who's better out of Hearns and Duran? Well Duran beat Leonard who beat Hagler who blasted out Hearns in three rounds so DURAN is better!
Who is better out of Vitali Klitschko and Hasim Rahman? Obviously as Rahman knocked out Lewis while Lewis stopped Klitschko then Rahman is the better fighter.

It's the ONLY logic that counts. The ONLY logic.

ye and pavlik is a better fighter than hopkins right as been as he beat taylor, who beat hopkins

lets forget the actual fights shall we, lets forget that duran was starched himself by hearns, lost two out of three with leonard and lost to hagler... his still better than all three right ?

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calzaghe couldn't handle sakio bika come on now. he's gonna beat ward? don't be a silly fanboy.

Scores of 117-110 / 117-110 / 116-111 disagree with you, daggum.



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super middle is known as the hide out division where you go to disappear.

OK, so Ward's crap?



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One of the more sensible posts I've seen since yesterday, but hood luck getting this through to the local cavemen.


Ward deserves credit because he would have beaten Kessler with or without fouling -- it's simply down to styles -- but Calzaghe beat a better version of Kessler and did it clean without headbutts. There shouldn't even be an argument about that.


There's something to consider here, and it's not an excuse, it is a fact: Kessler has been fairly inactive since the Calzaghe fight, which was a little over two years ago. No thanks to Palle, he hasn't had a single competitive fight since then, only beating lackluster opponents and mandatory challengers who didn't really deserve to be in the same ring. In between this, he's been through a ton of legal crap while trying to break free of his contract with Palle for the reason that he wasn't getting good fights. This would be a major distraction to any fighter.


Calzaghe took the unbeaten Kessler's aura of invincibility at a time when he was on a roll and full of confidence. You could say Calzaghe laid the blueprint and exposed some of Kessler's weaknesses. I'm pretty sure Ward watched this fight closely and learned from it.


Both Ward and Calzaghe had a different approach, but both beat Kessler convincigly. Calzaghe won 9-3, or possibly 8-4. Ward took pretty much every round, but due to bad cuts that's not surprising because he couldn't see for a significant portion of the fight. As Kessler is somewhat of a late starter, it's possible he could have taken some of the later rounds, although I doubt it. Again, not an excuse, because Ward could have won without headbutting, but you never know what can happen with Kessler -- it's not uncommon for him to knock his opponent out in the later rounds after breaking them down.


The problem with Kessler, is he's possibly too strict for his own good. He should have known, especially after seeing the Ward-Miranda fight, that he might have to dig deep and fight fire with fire. He will not cheat, though. You will never see him headbutting, and rarely will he even clinch. That's respectable, he's sticking to the rules of boxing, but dirty fighting is something you have to be prepared for. He wasn't.


In my opinion, Kessler is an excellent fighter, or at least, he was until Palle wrecked his career, but Ward has his number and that's all there is to it.

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