Comments Thread For: Schaefer: If Mayweather Returns, I'd Make it Bigger Than Pac Fight

[Scipio2009]

This clowns not short on confidence is he. The only fight to have a chance of getting near them numbers is canelo rematch. Even that fight won't be enough.

If Alvarez routs Golovkin, all bets are off

[brettWall]

Successful fights are not always about fighters with Mexican styles.

In general, casual fans hate fights where one fighter disengages too much, clinches excessively, runs, anything that disrupts the smooth flow of the fight. You don't need rocket science to figure out who fans root for in such fights.

That's why GGG's team is making a huge mistake in not pursuing the Lara fight. It may not be huge, but it will definitely sell. You all saw how the audience erupted when Angulo knocked down Lara twice.

It's not about promotion in most cases, it's about the pairing as well as all the circumstances surrounding it at the time.

[komandante]

Pac v Money will never be surpassed.

[Reloaded]

Mayweather promoted his last fight with berto as his last bout, an end to his career, the greatest boxer, undefeated, your last chance to watch a virtuoso performance by the purist boxer ever and it FLOPPED only selling 400k ppvs
Majority of fans dont give a crap about a 40 yr old floyd returning
Boxing goes on without him

Something you will learn , today its very hard to be great , its very hard for the average to recognize the greats of the day simply because of the extremely negative world we live in .

Thank god we have history to look back on and see what we really missed , 30 yrs from now Im sure many would love to have been live watching Floyds last fight .

If purists were the only fans of boxing the sport would be busted ass broke , it needs the emotional hype to bring in all the sheep , fanboys full of love hate is the only thing to keep all sport afloat , purists of any sport is a very small group .

Its interesting watching fans belittle FM , the dumb leading the blind .

But you are right that the sport can move on without him and the average fan dont care if he ever fights again , unless Manny keeps winning and its a rematch with Manny I dont care either .

[Verus]

The first priority of all promoters is to promote themselves. This guy leads the pack in that department.

[KnockoutKings]

Simple.

Floyd Mayweather needs to come back against a marketable opponent is a deathly serious fight, and every effort needs to be made to max out all available revenue streams.

Here's an idea (though with quite a few moving parts to it):

-Saul Alvarez, on September 2017 and on PPV, stops Gennady Golovkin inside 10 rounds, to become the WBC/WBA/IBF/WBA world middleweight champion. Immediately after the fight, Alvarez speaks empassionately to his fans in Spanish (prefacing what he's going to say) and then, in English, Alvarez looks into the home camera (and in his own style), gives Floyd Mayweather Jr his respect as arguably the best fighter to put on gloves, credits Floyd for what he taught him in the first fight, but makes it absolutely clear that he's in the prime of his life, his skills are sharp, and he wants to face him again.

From then through May 2018, you have Alvarez and Mayweather pike the fever for the fight among the general sports audience; though the MGM Grand is Floyd's building, MGM Resorts has a brand new venue that seats nearly 5,000 more people to also consider (likely near Mayweather-Pacquiao face value prices)

-In addition to Mayweather-Alvarez 2 in the US, you also pair the event with a monster fight card from Wembley in the UK, headlined by Anthony Joshua(c) vs Deontay Wilder(c) for the undisputed/unified heavyweight championship of the world.

-Between the two monster cards, you find slots for the eliminators for the middleweight belts (ie Saunders-EubankJr 2 for the WBO shot on Joshua's card, Lemieux-Khytrov for the WBC shot on the Mayweather card, Anthony Mundine in the WBA mandatory on Mayweather's card, a British fighter getting a shot with the IBF on Joshua's card).

-As an added benefit, by this point nearly 18 months into her run, with two gold medals around her neck, you could even reach with a title shot for Claressa Shields; not sure how accurate, but there are currently two vacant belts at her assumed weight class, but if folks are feeling froggish, they could bring Christina Hammer (top women's middleweight) over, to the US or UK.

-To sweeten the US pot, viewers stateside get an airing (re-airing?) of Joshua-Wilder in the final hard sell before the PPV.


HBOPPV/SHOPPV presents: Generations - Old Lion vs Young Lion
Alvarez(c) vs Mayweather Jr for the undisputed middleweight championship
Lemieux vs. Khytrov, WBC 160 final eliminator
Mundine vs WBA regular champ, WBA 160 final eliminator
[Claressa Shields vs TBA, for a vacant women's 160 belt]

Sky Box Office presents: Undisputed
Joshua(c) vs Wilder(c) for the undisputed heavyweight championship
Saunders vs EubankJr 2, WBO final eliminator
Johnson vs Etches, IBF final eliminator
[Hammer(c) vs Shields for the WBC/WBO women's middleweight titles]

Whether the show hits the 4.4m+ that Maweather=Pacquiao ended up hitting is beyond the point; the fight will likely do a massive number on US PPV, will do massive business in the UK, will do strong PPV business in Canada, will draw massive interest in Mexico/Latin America, and will also draw really strong interest from Germany/Europe, Australia, and the rest of the world (though Asia doesn't have anything on the hypothetical main shows, a quality Asian fighter in a meaningful fight on the PPV lead-in could help draw some interest.

By making all of the different pieces bigger, you end up delivering a far bigger event

note: [] = either/or

Floyd-Canelo II will not outsell May-Pac, cmon. Canelo may be one of the biggest names in boxing but still pales in comparison to Floyd or Manny. And you are dreaming if you think they will put on a super stacked undercard like that. Not to mention that the masses don't care about who's fighting on the undercard.

[brettWall]

Riight. The swiss banker didn't come out when Mayweather was fighting Berto.

This guy takes credit for something any promoter can do. Dibella was the promoter of the Spence/Bundu fight. It got a rating of 6.5 million viewers. The point? Schaefer was at the right time and place when those huge PPV happened. Mosley/Mayweather was destined to do well not because of Schaefer. Same thing with Canelo/Mayweather. People want to see TBE lose. It all started when he ducked the DelaHoya rematch. People who rooted for DLH in the first fight started following him around and see him lose. TBE retired, ducked prime fighters in his division, fought once a year, etc. That made him big UNINTENTIONALLY. People were dying to see him lose.

Good post.

[The Big Dunn]

Riight. The swiss banker didn't come out when Mayweather was fighting Berto.

This guy takes credit for something any promoter can do. Dibella was the promoter of the Spence/Bundu fight. It got a rating of 6.5 million viewers. The point? Schaefer was at the right time and place when those huge PPV happened. Mosley/Mayweather was destined to do well not because of Schaefer. Same thing with Canelo/Mayweather. People want to see TBE lose. It all started when he ducked the DelaHoya rematch. People who rooted for DLH in the first fight started following him around and see him lose. TBE retired, ducked prime fighters in his division, fought once a year, etc. That made him big UNINTENTIONALLY. People were dying to see him lose.

whenever a poster says the winner "ducked the rematch" then you know they are completely ******ed and just upset that the guy they wanted to win lost.

[Canelo and GGG]

Floyd-Canelo II will not outsell May-Pac, cmon. Canelo may be one of the biggest names in boxing but still pales in comparison to Floyd or Manny. And you are dreaming if you think they will put on a super stacked undercard like that. Not to mention that the masses don't care about who's fighting on the undercard.

Agree on the undercard ,but if Canelo Beats GGG and call Floyd out to fight for undispiuted MW crown ,oh boy its big,but Floyd would want alvarez to drain himself so its impossible fight.

[Scipio2009]

Floyd-Canelo II will not outsell May-Pac, cmon. Canelo may be one of the biggest names in boxing but still pales in comparison to Floyd or Manny. And you are dreaming if you think they will put on a super stacked undercard like that. Not to mention that the masses don't care about who's fighting on the undercard.

A women's title fight, Mundine (Mundine gets the lion's share of the Australia money) vs TBA, and Lemieux (Lemieux gets the lion's share of the Canadian money) vs Khytrov isn't a drastically expensive undercard to put on in Las Vegas; and, though Saunders-EubankJr 2 isn't going to be cheap, the card under Joshua-Wilder isn't expensive bad either.

Beyond that, and this will likely stick in your craw, Manny Pacquiao isn't a world's bigger star than Saul Alvarez is; after getting flattened by Marquez, Pacquiao-Rios did 450k, Pacquiao-Bradley 2 did 800k, and Pacquiao-Algieri did 400k PPV buys.

Since getting beat by Floyd, Alvarez did 350k for Angulo, 300k for Lara, 900k for Cotto, 600k for Khan, 300k for Liam Smith, and likely 700k-750k for a potential Golovkin fight.

You add the added sheer danger of the matchup (Alvarez is likely to walk into the ring with a near 20lb advantage on Floyd, while also having picked up some extra seasoning in the ring), and you're kidding yourself that the casual fan interest (which is largely the only reason why Mayweather-Pacquiao took off the way it did) isn't going to be through the roof for the fight, especially if Alvarez walks in after just picking off Golovkin's scalp.