Weight Lifting and Boxing - Good or Bad??

[TheNegation]

i wouldnt recommend it.

boxing is about speed and skills, lifting weights will do nothing but hurt your speed and agility. u do get stronger but it doesnt really help your punching power, in a 4 round fight strenght isnt very important. if u was a pro going 12 rounders u would need it so u wouldnt break down at the end of fights, but in a 4 rounder its basicly pointless.

there are more important things to focus on than strenght, and even if u desperately want to get stronger there are better ways than lifting weights. bodyweight exercises will be do the trick and u wont risk gettin too bulk and have to fight bigger guys or getting slower.

ppl will tell u u dont get slower from lifting but u do, it does holds back your progress in the speed department.

There isn't one thing in this post that is true or makes any sense

[EzzardFan]

no. you are supposed to post a list of all the **** you do in a typical workout. Proper programming trumps everything else.

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almost ALL professional fighters use weights.. I have provided a **** ton of material for you to look at here, if you still want to say weights are bad for boxing then at the very ****in least present some evidence that isn't your opinion. *experience only counts if you post your ****ing program

Like anyone who has any long-term experience in weight training my program changed all the time. How is posting my program going to enlighten you as to whether I was using correct technique? Fact is I no longer lift weights, do not consider them relevant, and can't be assed wasting precious minutes of my life posting a meaningless program for you benefit.

Bad lifting is accountable for most weightlifting injuries period.

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correct? I didn't say that. I said if you can hit hard you are likely to develop some chronic injury

Bad lifting causes acute injury such as a torn muscle, or a herniated disk. Long-term lifting causes chronic wear and tear injuries.

so strong deltoids means you ruin your rotator cuffs? WRONG. The rotator cuff is not meant to take strain at all, if you use improper technique or more weight than you can handle some of the load will be on your rotator cuffs instead of your deltoids.

I gave you a chance to google this and come up with something sensible but you have squandered it. Now you look ****** to anyone who knows anything about proper weight training. Rotator cuff injuries are primarily due to over developed deltoids at the expense of the rotator cuff muscle. The deltoid and the rotator cuff perform different functions but need to work together. A danger of weight training is that the lifter can isolate certain muscle groups such as the deltoids and train them to the virtual exclusion of the supporting muscle groups. That's why injuries occur. The lifter can get around this by focusing on compound exercises.

your definition fails to include anything other than freeweights. Bodyweight, weight machines and plyometrics such as medicine ball throws are all using weights.

I have nothing against medicine balls. Machines though are the spawn of Satan. When I was still lifting the general consensus was that machines were for poofs and real men used free weights.

1)the heavier the weight, the more strength you will build.

2)present evidence or STFU

Rather than accept my evidence why don't you just google it yourself, there's tons of information out there on isometrics.

..to all of you who think weights slow you down/make you stiff etc etc. You are idiots. I Know I can't change your minds, some people really are too ****** and beyond help.

You cannot change my mind because I have 20 years of experience and over the long haul my experience was negative. I wish I'd never picked up a weight. How many years experience do you have?

But read these books 'Science and Practice of Strength Training' - Zatiorsky & Kraemer
'Practical Programming for Strength Training' - Mark Rippetoe

I've already read both of those and many more.

also, check out http://www.Rossboxing.com - He advocates weights for boxers.

He's talking out of his ass then.

almost ALL professional fighters use weights.. I have provided a **** ton of material for you to look at here, if you still want to say weights are bad for boxing then at the very ****in least present some evidence that isn't your opinion. *experience only counts if you post your ****ing program

Correction: almost all profession fighters have used weights since boxing went into decline. Before that they didn't, and the fighters back then were a lot better. Few if any of the all time greats lifted weights. I rest my case.

[SplitSecond]

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[Righthandbanger]

Like anyone who has any long-term experience in weight training my program changed all the time. How is posting my program going to enlighten you as to whether I was using correct technique? Fact is I no longer lift weights, do not consider them relevant, and can't be assed wasting precious minutes of my life posting a meaningless program for you benefit.

Actually, the changing things up all the time isn't 100% true. Powerlifters never change their exercises and they are the strongest guys around.
Post one of your many programs then?

Bad lifting causes acute injury such as a torn muscle, or a herniated disk. Long-term lifting causes chronic wear and tear injuries.

The fact is though your tendons and connective tissue strengthen through training so a proper program can limit any chronic damage caused without improper technique

I gave you a chance to google this and come up with something sensible but you have squandered it. Now you look ****** to anyone who knows anything about proper weight training. Rotator cuff injuries are primarily due to over developed deltoids at the expense of the rotator cuff muscle.

Actually they are primarily due to throwing/haymakers and other swinging movements
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotator_cuff_tear .. wikipedia isnt the most credible source but its one better than you've got

You cannot change my mind because I have 20 years of experience and over the long haul my experience was negative. I wish I'd never picked up a weight. How many years experience do you have?

10 years. for the first 6 I was doing a program without all the necessary knowledge, probably like you, but through powerlifting gyms I acquired a program that actually works, is made of a handful of compound exercises that have very low risk of injury (mainly squat, bench, deadlift, overhead press) and have convinced many others to try similar programs who have also reaped great results.

The fact is one of your previous posts said you consider yourself an expert but you're just ignorant. If you had read those books you wouldn't be so ****ed up.

Correction: almost all profession fighters have used weights since boxing went into decline. Before that they didn't, and the fighters back then were a lot better. Few if any of the all time greats lifted weights. I rest my case.

If you actually watch old fighters like dempsey and marciano they actually weren't better.. they were rougher, had smaller gloves and more rounds. The technique was pretty bad. Ali's generation did weights, to think they didn't is ******. So many boxers claim they dont use weights.. they are full of ****.

[Righthandbanger]

ezzardfan just owned every non-believer in this thread

nuthugger by day, idiot by night

[EzzardFan]

y and marciano they actually weren't better.. they were rougher, had smaller gloves and more rounds. The technique was pretty bad. Ali's generation did weights, to think they didn't is ******. So many boxers claim they dont use weights.. they are full of ****.

Really?

Ali never touched weights. Read his biography, read Angelo Dundee's biography.

Joe Frazier never touched weights. Read his book "Box like the Pros", where he recounts advising his son Marvis against using weights. No weight training techniques are included in that book.

Read Ken Norton's autobiography "Going the Distance" Ken states that he never picked up a weight in his life.

I also have a copy of the book Floyd Paterson wrote with Bert Sugar, and again Floyd never touched weights.

And why oh why are you advocating a power lifting regime as being beneficial to boxing. You really want legs like tree trunks?

Here's two book recommendations for you:

Pushing Yourself to Power - John E Peterson
The Arc of Boxing - Mike Silver

Walk in the light.

[Toy Story 3]

You can lift weights. Nothing wrong with it. It doesn't slow you down; that's b.s.

This is true. I don't lose an ounce of speed and I lift weights too. You gotta lift correctly and in correct form and of course eat properly. You will get stronger doing this. I don't know where that myth came from that lifting weights slow you down.

[Righthandbanger]

Really?

Ali never touched weights. Read his biography, read Angelo Dundee's biography.

Joe Frazier never touched weights. Read his book "Box like the Pros", where he recounts advising his son Marvis against using weights. No weight training techniques are included in that book.

Read Ken Norton's autobiography "Going the Distance" Ken states that he never picked up a weight in his life.

I also have a copy of the book Floyd Paterson wrote with Bert Sugar, and again Floyd never touched weights.

Floyd Mayweather said he's never done weights and there is picture evidence to say otherwise floating around the web. Boxers will lie to get validation because weights are frowned upon.. plus even bodyweeight exercises do count as weights.

And why oh why are you advocating a power lifting regime as being beneficial to boxing. You really want legs like tree trunks?

Once again, this is powerlifting not bodybuilding .. its not what you do in the gym that makes you big in strength training its what you do in the kitchen.

plus, maximal strength increase will also increase all other forms of strength.. add that with plyometrics and you're gold.

Here's two book recommendations for you:

Pushing Yourself to Power - John E Peterson
The Arc of Boxing - Mike Silver

I will actually check these out.. see unlike you I am not ignorant