Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Coach: We Wanted Ward, It Will Eventually Happen!

[Mr. Luthor]

I don't buy that theory. First, 164 was not a demand. It was a response to Ward's "50-50" stance he had since late 2014. He was talking like Golovkin is a no name bum, and they said "dude, you barely fought in 2 years, and you weren't even popular then". That's where the whole A-side BS came about.

Second, people don't know or don't remember the actual timeline of this whole drama BS. Loeffler's comment was made AFTER the fight fell apart.

1. The fight fell apart due to Ward desire for comeback fights. Here's an article from as far back as April 2015.
2. Here's Golovkin saying Ward is dead to him in June 2015. In case you missed this, he's basically telling Ward to go F himself. The fight is DEAD at this point.
3. Here's Loeffler responding to "What it will take to make Ward-Golovkin" by mentioning 164. He also mentions "tuneups" again.
4. Ward mentions his offer to fight Golovkin in September 2015, and he says it was made "about a month ago". At this time, the fight between them has been dead for at LEAST 2 months. He's talking out of his ass. He knew this offer was not real and would get rejected for the bull**** it was.

That is the actual timeline of the events. The sad thing is that majority of fans are not objective and see what they want to see. They want to hate Golovkin and thus keep singing the ducking stories. Neither guy is ducking another. I think they both legitimately dislike one another and think they can kick each other's ass.

I generally don't bother writing all of that up because it usually falls on deaf ears, but I greatly respect you as a poster so figure I'd take another stab at it.

What actual offer did K2 send to Ward/Roc Nation? Please provide some proof of Loeffler saying that they sent Ward an offer and he turned it down. Loeffler saying in an article that the fight would have to be at 164 is not an offer. This not an offer:

Loeffler said Golovkin would be more than happy to have a fall fight with Ward (28-0, 15 KOs), who returned from a 19-month layoff last month to pummel hapless Paul Smith for nine one-sided rounds.

Although Golovkin is the bigger draw than Ward in terms of selling tickets and television ratings, Loeffler explained the terms they would be willing to make the fight for.

“GGG is now clearly the ‘A’ side yet Ward still would want to dictate terms, which makes no sense,” Loeffler said. “GGG would fight Ward on a 50-50 basis, the best 160-pounder versus the best 168-pounder [at] 164 [and] a 50-50 split on all proceeds. But it seems like Ward needs more tuneup fights.”

[Mr. Luthor]

I don't buy that theory. First, 164 was not a demand. It was a response to Ward's "50-50" stance he had since late 2014. He was talking like Golovkin is a no name bum, and they said "dude, you barely fought in 2 years, and you weren't even popular then". That's where the whole A-side BS came about.

Second, people don't know or don't remember the actual timeline of this whole drama BS. Loeffler's comment was made AFTER the fight fell apart.

1. The fight fell apart due to Ward desire for comeback fights. Here's an article from as far back as April 2015.
2. Here's Golovkin saying Ward is dead to him in June 2015. In case you missed this, he's basically telling Ward to go F himself. The fight is DEAD at this point.
3. Here's Loeffler responding to "What it will take to make Ward-Golovkin" by mentioning 164. He also mentions "tuneups" again.
4. Ward mentions his offer to fight Golovkin in September 2015, and he says it was made "about a month ago". At this time, the fight between them has been dead for at LEAST 2 months. He's talking out of his ass. He knew this offer was not real and would get rejected for the bull**** it was.

That is the actual timeline of the events. The sad thing is that majority of fans are not objective and see what they want to see. They want to hate Golovkin and thus keep singing the ducking stories. Neither guy is ducking another. I think they both legitimately dislike one another and think they can kick each other's ass.

I generally don't bother writing all of that up because it usually falls on deaf ears, but I greatly respect you as a poster so figure I'd take another stab at it.

This is not an offer:

Loeffler said Golovkin would be more than happy to have a fall fight with Ward (28-0, 15 KOs), who returned from a 19-month layoff last month to pummel hapless Paul Smith for nine one-sided rounds.

Although Golovkin is the bigger draw than Ward in terms of selling tickets and television ratings, Loeffler explained the terms they would be willing to make the fight for.

“GGG is now clearly the ‘A’ side yet Ward still would want to dictate terms, which makes no sense,” Loeffler said. “GGG would fight Ward on a 50-50 basis, the best 160-pounder versus the best 168-pounder [at] 164 [and] a 50-50 split on all proceeds. But it seems like Ward needs more tuneup fights.”

[GGG Gloveking]

So your claim is that the suggestion K2 made to Ward in June/July 2015 for a 164 catchweight fight in the fall of 2015 is the legitimate offer Golovkin made to Ward even though Ward was still a 168 pound champion until he vacated his title in November of 2015?

C'mon now.

So there should be no issues with Canelo offering Golovkin a catchweight Middleweight fight either? After all, Canelo is clearly the A-side to Golovkin, correct?

Asking the 168 champ to drop 4 lbs is no less legitimate than asking the 160 champ to jump up 8 lbs. The best at 160 vs the best at 168, meet in the middle. Seems very fair to me. Like you said, he was the 168 champ. He was being asked to drop 4lbs.

Comparing it to Canelo is a bit of apples vs oranges. In one case, we have 2 champs from 2 different divisions wanting to meet in the middle. On the other hand, we have a champ in a division asking another champ in the same division to drop to the minimum of the division. This would be like Golovkin winning a 168 belt then demanding Ward come to 161. Or it would have to be Canelo winning a 154 belt and wanting GGG at 157.5. Neither of which is the case so it really isnt a valid comparison.

But let me throw the ball back at you. Why should Golovkin have to drop 5 lbs for a same division champ, but Ward not have t9 drop 4 for a lower division champ?

[cork]

Omg... the article is so cheap... posting a 3rd of the interview and chopping the quotes to inflame people... see fighthub...

Can you post me the whole article? I can't get the website working because fear of virus or whatever.

[AKAcronym]

What actual offer did K2 send to Ward/Roc Nation? Please provide some proof of Loeffler saying that they sent Ward an offer and he turned it down. Loeffler saying in an article that the fight would have to be at 164 is not an offer. This not an offer:

Loeffler said Golovkin would be more than happy to have a fall fight with Ward (28-0, 15 KOs), who returned from a 19-month layoff last month to pummel hapless Paul Smith for nine one-sided rounds.

Although Golovkin is the bigger draw than Ward in terms of selling tickets and television ratings, Loeffler explained the terms they would be willing to make the fight for.

“GGG is now clearly the ‘A’ side yet Ward still would want to dictate terms, which makes no sense,” Loeffler said. “GGG would fight Ward on a 50-50 basis, the best 160-pounder versus the best 168-pounder [at] 164 [and] a 50-50 split on all proceeds. But it seems like Ward needs more tuneup fights.”

Provide proof that Ward and his team sent the contract that was turned down. Him saying it in a video is not proof. That's all this is is people taking sides and not believing the other. It's a never-ending loop.

[bojangles1987]

I don't buy that theory. First, 164 was not a demand. It was a response to Ward's "50-50" stance he had since late 2014. He was talking like Golovkin is a no name bum, and they said "dude, you barely fought in 2 years, and you weren't even popular then". That's where the whole A-side BS came about.

Second, people don't know or don't remember the actual timeline of this whole drama BS. Loeffler's comment was made AFTER the fight fell apart.

1. The fight fell apart due to Ward desire for comeback fights. Here's an article from as far back as April 2015.
2. Here's Golovkin saying Ward is dead to him in June 2015. In case you missed this, he's basically telling Ward to go F himself. The fight is DEAD at this point.
3. Here's Loeffler responding to "What it will take to make Ward-Golovkin" by mentioning 164. He also mentions "tuneups" again.
4. Ward mentions his offer to fight Golovkin in September 2015, and he says it was made "about a month ago". At this time, the fight between them has been dead for at LEAST 2 months. He's talking out of his ass. He knew this offer was not real and would get rejected for the bull**** it was.

That is the actual timeline of the events. The sad thing is that majority of fans are not objective and see what they want to see. They want to hate Golovkin and thus keep singing the ducking stories. Neither guy is ducking another. I think they both legitimately dislike one another and think they can kick each other's ass.

I generally don't bother writing all of that up because it usually falls on deaf ears, but I greatly respect you as a poster so figure I'd take another stab at it.

That's generally the timeline as I remember it, and why I never go so far as to claim Golovkin ducked Ward. There were never any real negotiations for Golovkin's team to duck. Even going back to 2014 talks never moved past "maybe we'll fight in the future." It's certainly not like the Alvarez situation, which many people love to compare it to. I certainly don't think Golovkin himself has any problem with fighting Ward.

Still, so many of the comments that have come from Golovkin's team in the past year suggest no interest in fighting Andre Ward. Whether that is spite or his people worried about the risk, they have made a lot of contrary statements that don't exist when it comes to other fighters. It's not that I think 164 was a real offer that killed the fight. Why mention 164 at all when they haven't regarding anyone else?

I'm past it, though. Ward moved up, Golovkin has his sights set at 160, the chance came and went.

[FeFist]

This puta needs to keep Ward's name out of his mouth. They wanted nothing to do with Ward. Ward moved on, and Lil G is picking on welterweights. The fight with Brook is a disgrace that they're trying to mitigate with maybes and would'ves.

[Shadoww702]

Has this been confirmed?

Yes. You do realize how that works right???They signed to fight at that location on that day so NO ONE else can reserve the arena. ...

[greg98]

sometimes I feel that GGG never ducked Ward, and Ward just name drops him to help stay relevant. In an interview laat year he said -
"Hey, Ward, wake up! Why are you talking trash about other people? Speak for yourself. If you're trying to make a name for yourself by mentioning me to build up your own fight, then be a man about it and tell the truth. At our meeting with HBO they asked us whether we are ready to box. You know our answers - I said yes, you said no. You said something about your shoulder or promoter - I'm not interested in the reason, I only heard your "no." But you remember that HBO said then that they would need a long time to build-up the fight. Then what the **** are you talking about excuses?"

"If you do provocative attacks, do not even think that Loeffler [Gennady's K2 promoter] will buy into them. You haven't been interesting to anyone for a long time, so he will no longer engage in the promotion of your name. Go and build your own image. Although everyone already knows what you are, and because of this, they do not go to your fights."

"You shouldn't worry about who I'm going to box or have boxed. You, like the rest, were lucky with the "Super Six" tournament because you got your opponents by contract. And who are you fighting now? The fourth-fifth ranked fighters in England...If I say that I'm ready to box any middleweight and ready to rise to 168 for a big fight, then I am responsible for the words. And I have nothing left to discuss with you. As a man, you are dead to me."

[Nay_Sayer]

Asking the 168 champ to drop 4 lbs is no less legitimate than asking the 160 champ to jump up 8 lbs. The best at 160 vs the best at 168, meet in the middle. Seems very fair to me. Like you said, he was the 168 champ. He was being asked to drop 4lbs.

Doesn't Brook hold a title @ 147lbs?

Isn't 154 half way between 147 and 160.

So why is Bumlovkin fighting Brook @ the FULL middleweight limit?