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Old 01-14-2020, 12:58 PM #1
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Far too many posts on here arguing about who should be FOTD, going back and forth over the same names, claiming x did this which was better than y. It is just boring and in all honesty, a poor reflection of the previous ten years. Let us look at why -

In previous decades, where FOTD discussion became prominent, you could pick out the bets fighters and they would ALL have an argument of winning the award, names such as Pacquiao, Hopkins, Mayweather, Oscar, Barrera, Morales, Roy Jones, Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield, Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran and so on and so forth.

In the last ten years, there are far more negatives to discuss regarding the nominees and more missed fights to speak of than positives and the big fights we wanted.

Let us look at some of the names being repeatedly mentioned -

Pacquiao: Started the decade very well and had one of the atg fights with Marquez...but it is also important to remember some of his legitimate losses. That KO, that farce against Mayweather and imo the correct loss to Horn. None of those losses were avenged and as impressive as it has been to see him regain the ww crown, his career has been topsy turvy. He may have the best claim when we start looking at the others.

Mayweather: A man who has not fought at the highest level of the sport for 5 years is supposed to be FOTD? He had a terrific win over Cotto and Pacquiao but he fought c level slugger Maidana twice, spent time fighting the likes of Ortiz and Guerrero which is a joke and actively avoided taking the Pacquiao fight early in the decade. Instead of talking about the ifs and buts...we should have been talking about a Pacquiao trilogy or fights against the likes of Martinez and Canelo at proper weights. More questions than answers.

Alvarez: The man who created a division all his own, a man who many believe did not believe Trout, let alone Lara, Cotto and GGG on two occasions. His ambition is something to be proud of but his playing with weights, belts and the fact that judges seem to have him six rounds up is a major, major problem and one of the most important corruption debates the sport needs to have. Let's not even begin about his fight Kovalev.

Other names pose just as many questions and answers, men who promised much but repeatedly failed to deliver the fights we wanted/needed (Ward, Kovalev, Stevenson, all the guys at light middle, Wilder, Fury...this goes on and on).

The last decade has done more damage to boxing viewership in the US and mainstream appeal than any other in its long and once illustrious history. We should not be awarding that.
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Old 01-14-2020, 01:03 PM #2
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Far too many posts on here arguing about who should be FOTD, going back and forth over the same names, claiming x did this which was better than y. It is just boring and in all honesty, a poor reflection of the previous ten years. Let us look at why -

In previous decades, where FOTD discussion became prominent, you could pick out the bets fighters and they would ALL have an argument of winning the award, names such as Pacquiao, Hopkins, Mayweather, Oscar, Barrera, Morales, Roy Jones, Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield, Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran and so on and so forth.

In the last ten years, there are far more negatives to discuss regarding the nominees and more missed fights to speak of than positives and the big fights we wanted.

Let us look at some of the names being repeatedly mentioned -

Pacquiao: Started the decade very well and had one of the atg fights with Marquez...but it is also important to remember some of his legitimate losses. That KO, that farce against Mayweather and imo the correct loss to Horn. None of those losses were avenged and as impressive as it has been to see him regain the ww crown, his career has been topsy turvy. He may have the best claim when we start looking at the others.

Mayweather: A man who has not fought at the highest level of the sport for 5 years is supposed to be FOTD? He had a terrific win over Cotto and Pacquiao but he fought c level slugger Maidana twice, spent time fighting the likes of Ortiz and Guerrero which is a joke and actively avoided taking the Pacquiao fight early in the decade. Instead of talking about the ifs and buts...we should have been talking about a Pacquiao trilogy or fights against the likes of Martinez and Canelo at proper weights. More questions than answers.

Alvarez: The man who created a division all his own, a man who many believe did not believe Trout, let alone Lara, Cotto and GGG on two occasions. His ambition is something to be proud of but his playing with weights, belts and the fact that judges seem to have him six rounds up is a major, major problem and one of the most important corruption debates the sport needs to have. Let's not even begin about his fight Kovalev.

Other names pose just as many questions and answers, men who promised much but repeatedly failed to deliver the fights we wanted/needed (Ward, Kovalev, Stevenson, all the guys at light middle, Wilder, Fury...this goes on and on).

The last decade has done more damage to boxing viewership in the US and mainstream appeal than any other in its long and once illustrious history. We should not be awarding that.
You're choosing to focus on the negatives rather than the positives.

For example, Floyd sold 16 million PPV's in the US during the decade. In 5 years. That is an average of over 3 mil PPV's per year. During the decade he had the 3 highest selling PPV's of all time. Canelo just reached an epic deal with dazn that looks like the kind of money an NBA player gets. AJ is performing in front of massive crowds.

For you to then post "The last decade has done more damage to boxing viewership in the US and mainstream appeal than any other in its long and once illustrious history" knowing the above shows you are letting your emotions cloud your judgement.
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Old 01-14-2020, 01:07 PM #3
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I believe if Pacquiao didn't have the ugly "losses" against Bradley and Horn on his resume, he would win it again.
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Old 01-14-2020, 01:24 PM #4
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Fotd is a tough call this time . But someone still has to win it . For me it would be canelo but he had those street meat tacos and ****ed that up . For me that leaves Mayweather, ward , pacquiao , chocolatito . Between those guys mayweather wins it for me but he hasnt been active enuff ....I dont know who my pick would be and I think the original poster is feeling the same way , howeever there is far more positive to look at like a poster above mentioned . Iam just gonna leave my vote out until 2030
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Like the pfp, nothing is clear until Haymon allows his stable of btches out into the world.
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Yeah, this was the bidniss (promotions & network fanbois), a-side, b-side, gay side era. Probably the weakest era because so many fighters refused to face each other or fights that went past their expiration dates.
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The fighter of the decade is Andre Ward
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Old 01-14-2020, 02:36 PM #8
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Yeah, this was the bidniss (promotions & network fanbois), a-side, b-side, gay side era. Probably the weakest era because so many fighters refused to face each other or fights that went past their expiration dates.
Look at all these fights that could have been made but never were or were made far too late:

Kovalev v Stevenson (the worst missed fight out there)
GGG v Canelo III
Martinez v Mayweather (May called for a CW, Martinez said he would...it never happened)
Mayweather v Williams
Mayweather v Bradley
May/Pac v Khan
Khan v Bradley
Wilder v AJ
Fury v Wlad II
Fury v AJ
Charlos v Andrade
Spence v Thurman

I could go on and on and on and on


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Like the pfp, nothing is clear until Haymon allows his stable of btches out into the world.
Joking aside, imagine the stars Haymon could have created if they all fought each other...
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Floyd Mayweather is fighter of the decade, no one else comes close. pacquaio can **** off..
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If you are going by body of work, then give it to Pacquiao.

Champion at the beginning of the decade, champion at the end of the decade.
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