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Old 12-02-2019, 11:46 PM #1
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How do you know he wasnt mentally challenged? Like those weirdo hippies at Venice Beach.

How do you know he wasnt a crazy, village idiot?
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He could of had Buddhist training alot of the teachings in Christianity work as cues for mindfulness, not sure if thats my brain making them work or intentional, or if its co-incidentally related to Buddhism without any cross over
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Old 12-03-2019, 04:27 AM #3
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He could of had Buddhist training alot of the teachings in Christianity work as cues for mindfulness, not sure if thats my brain making them work or intentional, or if its co-incidentally related to Buddhism without any cross over
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learn.. study what you don't know.. speak less.. english is my third lang... it is your only one.... what do you know.. be real kid.. yu sounding stupid like slobbers... cease and disist.. desist.......
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How do you know he wasnt mentally challenged? Like those weirdo hippies at Venice Beach.

How do you know he wasnt a crazy, village idiot?
i got and piss off ****ing rich azz clowns who think this guy is god..


Adi Da and His Voracious, Abusive Personality Cult

(c) Copyright by Timothy Conway, 2007

"The true guru will never humiliate you, nor will he estrange you from yourself. He will constantly bring you back to the fact of your inherent perfection and encourage you to seek within. He knows you need nothing, not even him, and is never tired of reminding you. But the self-appointed guru is more concerned with himself than with his disciples." --Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj (1897-1981), I Am That, Dialogue 83, Dec. 18, 1971

Over the years I have often been asked my opinion of (as eyewitnesses have alleged) the fiercely flamboyant, voraciously addictive, and alarmingly abusive spiritual teacher grandiosely calling himself “Adi Da” (meaning Primordial Divine Giver). Born Franklin Jones, he later re-named himself Bubba (Brother) Free John, then Da Free John, then Da Avabhasa, then Adi Da, and so on, with other self-given, self-exalting titles such as “Heart-Master,” “Kalki” (a Hindu name for the prophesied Tenth Divine Incarnation of Hinduism's Lord Vishnu), etc., and, most recently, “Ruchira Avatar Adi Da Samraj.”

[--UPDATE ON ADI DA'S PASSING: At approximately 5:10 PM on Thursday, November 27th, 2008, without any prior warning, Adi Da suddenly fell over and within 1-2 minutes died of a heart attack while sitting in the presence of devotees at his private ashram on Naitauba Island in Fiji. He was 69 years old. Known according to different reports to have been an avid drug-user over many years, in the last decade or more he was evidently often using Viagra—a known danger to cardiac health—to fuel his chronic sex addiction.]

Numerous former Da students and devotees from his "Daist" church—in more recent years known as the Adidam community— have gone on record (see Adi Da Archives website here) to describe their experiences with Da, reporting both their positive experiences and, more importantly, their negative experiences, which give one great pause before calling Da the only true “God-man” or Avatar (Divine Incarnation) for our era or any era, the claim made by Da himself and by his devotees and their Church. Some ex-devotees have written spiritually cogent and psychologically insightful essays on what might simply be called Da’s “shadow side.” Much in their critical analysis can be usefully applied to other dysfunctional cult leaders, too.

The sagely tradition warns us not to "mix up levels," namely the Absolute Truth level (Paramarthika Satyam) and the conventional, pragmatic truth-level within the life-dream (the Vyavaharika Satyam). In other words, while clearly intuitively knowing WHO WE ARE as Absolute, infinite, boundless, birthless Open Awareness, in the every-day, experiential or phenomenal life of relativity and multiplicity, there are certain necessary and healthy distinctions to be made between, say, "appropriately helpful" and "inappropriately harmful," in how we are behaving. To put it another way, while all phenomena are ultimately (seen from Eternity) the "perfectly" manifesting, unfolding play of the Formless Divine (wherein all souls will eventually awaken to God), there are, meanwhile, matters of right and wrong, justice and injustice.

The evidence from eyewitnesses strongly suggests that through the years there was some VERY problematic behavior on Da's part, and this merits critique as a "public service" for those who have little training to discern functional from dysfunctional forms of leadership. Furthermore, for over three decades Da tried to posit a sophisticated but spiritually subversive and monstrously egocentric model of himself and his work as being uniquely far superior to all the sages of our sacred traditions--and this authoritarian claim, patently false, simply cannot be allowed to stand.

The tale of Franklin Jones (b. Nov. 3, 1939, Jamaica, New York) is a comic-tragic one, starting off rather promisingly but later degenerating into abuse of himself and of others. After a few years studying with the American renunciate Swami Rudrananda in NY beginning in 1965, Franklin made a few trips to see Rudi's guru Baba Muktananda in India (1968-9) and to experience the potent Shaktipat energy that Muktananda channeled from his guru, Bhagavan Nityananda. Franklin then underwent some Christian seminary training and assorted inner experiences, as well as a year of studying and working for the dysfunctional, exploitative cult group, Scientology (1968-9). He claims to have then enjoyed in 1970 a "final awakening" to the Goddess and infinite Beyond in the Los Angeles Vedanta Temple. He began publicly teaching out of a bookstore in Los Angeles in 1972 and gathering students, before moving within a couple of years to Northern California with his growing entourage of close associates and devotees.

Showing promise of becoming a great spiritual adept and brilliant teacher of self-inquiry and Self-realization (with a strong emphasis on grounding this realization in heartfelt relationship and “enlightenment of the whole body”), very quickly, within less than two years of public work, all evidence indicates that Franklin Jones / Da Free John fell deeply and dangerously into monstrous ego-inflation, abusively toxic relationships towards his disciples and wife/wives, and heavy addictions to personal power, sexual debauchery, drugs, and extravagant material possessions. We have here the sad story of a gifted and highly educated young man endeavoring for spiritual mastery who became, instead, an unknowing egocentric slave to aspects of a very needy, sick, “shadow” part of the psyche. If the many eyewitness reports are to be believed, he then exploited his trusting disciples and turned them into his own serfs in a slavish cult--often descending into a nightmare--that pretended to create a heavenly scene around the “Incarnate God,” Adi Da.

Many of us longtime spiritual teachers and aspirants enjoyed Da’s books of often quite brilliant talks and writings from his earlier years— e.g., his spiritual autobiography The Knee of Listening (which was later strategically re-written to delete certain things, amplify other things, and add lots of self-serving mythology), Method of the Siddhas, The Paradox of Instruction, The Enlightenment of the Whole Body, Nirvanasara, his book on death and dying, Easy Death (lauded by Elisabeth Kubler-Ross), and his book on sexuality, Love of the Two-Armed Form which argues (against anything that Da himself ever practiced!) for a sexuality rooted in and permeated by Divine Love, thereby cutting a middle path between indulgence and suppression of sexual drives. Much of Da's language and schemas have greatly influenced pundit Ken Wilber, as Wilber himself has acknowledged. It is bizarre that Wilber still remains a big fan of Adi Da, along with another abusive "bad-boy" teacher, Andrew Cohen (who has been exposed by several formerly-close disciples for repeatedly abusive behavior and finally in 2013 resigned from his "teacher" position).

But this webpage will indicate why many of us do not find Da a commendable figure. Read his early books, if you wish; much (not all) of the material in them is quite excellent. But be here forewarned about becoming personally involved with Da's seductive cult. As stated in 1996 by Jim Chamberlain (a devotee of Da for eight years from the mid-1970s to early 1980s): "Many of those familiar with his 'crazy wisdom' teaching style and personal behavior have concluded that he is as dangerous as he is brilliant.... I would no more recommend that anyone go further than studying his teachings by becoming his devotee than I would recommend skydiving without a parachute while on LSD." (bewareofthegod.blogspot.com).

Author Robert Augustus Masters has written a cogent, critical yet sympathetic eulogy for Adi Da:

THE DEATH OF ADI DA
by Robert Augustus Masters (Dec. 2008)
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He could have been party based on a character like that or a old times magician or something but there's no mention at all of him outside of Christian writings, he didn't actually exist.

He is just a made up composite of many of the gods that went before him. there's literally nothing original about the Jesus story.
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He could have been party based on a character like that or a old times magician or something but there's no mention at all of him outside of Christian writings, he didn't actually exist.

He is just a made up composite of many of the gods that went before him. there's literally nothing original about the Jesus story.
This is correct.

It is almost certain that there was no actual Jesus. The inspiration for the Jesus character probably drew from some actual people of the times. Some mystics, some spiritualists, some gurus or rebellious preachers of that era.

A whole lot got made up. A whole lot got borrowed from earlier myths.

There is simply zero credible evidence that a person named Jesus, who the new testament was based on, ever existed.

And as per Hitchen's razor - that which is asserted without evidence (such as the existence of Jesus) can be dismissed without evidence.
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There is a book called "Zealot" by Reza Aslan that's a cool account of historical Jesus. From what I read, he was a bright guy with a lot of good insight regarding morality and mindfulness.
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learn hebrew.. greek.. and know the books..

learn.. study what you don't know.. speak less.. english is my third lang... it is your only one.... what do you know.. be real kid.. yu sounding stupid like slobbers... cease and disist.. desist.......

And here's the village idiot posting a bunch of nonsense with six periods between each word.

Put the bottle down you burnt out clown.
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