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Old 11-08-2019, 03:27 PM #1
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What does he need to do to increase both speed and power, in your opinion? Im going to update this as I go but I will point out one obvious flaw for now.


I see incredible speed esp for a giant man, but I see it inconsistently see below gif for very fast speed




I also see poor kinetic linking and the muscling of punches often. See below gif



Hes a mix up between the 2.

But if you can punch that fast once you can punch that fast all the time.


Here he is in slow motion his upper body (or arm) is ahead of his lower body I think, hes not pulling his upper body like he should be and when he does we see Roy Jones Fury




This is pulling, notice the arm shoulder and midsection are being pulled BEHIND the hips . But Fury's midsection arm and upper body are AHEAD of the punch



I think Fury should drill the sh,it out of those fast punches whenever he finds he can do them, drill them up wire them up in his nervous system , I think he has control issues, he muscles too much because he has "poor" hip control and the only remedy for poor or sub optimal hip control is loads of repetition. Especially good repetitions ie when you can do it right do it as much as possible.

So yea 1st point is he should DRAG his MIDSECTION shoulders, arms and upper body behind his hips. Consistently. ie it shouldn't be something you just get right here and there it should be something you do all the time unconsciously .

Also you can stretch and release the midsection like Tyson did but im not sure thats such a good idea defensively for a tall guy like Fury.


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Old 11-08-2019, 04:24 PM #2
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I know hes tired and in a fight but all too often hes muscling it with poor kinetic linking, if he did it properly all the time hed have more speed, and more endurance. Probably more power too and the power would be much harder to absorb safely because its more sudden, (its like getting caught cold all the time) so more knockouts.

(often these KO machines for fighters are not all that powerful but rather fast and sudden with perfect kinetic linking, I dont think pacman is overly powerful or heavy handed for example but look at his KO % from the speed and perfect kinetic linking side of his skill set )

Here in this gif the left hook is pretty good, but the right is muscled with poor kinetic linking.

Then he just monsters his way to a win. People dont like to watch it because its sloppy striking (I dont care so long as it gets the win but I see what they are saying) but he can do it and when he does its beautiful striking to watch, along with his other skill sets like excellent head movement and foot work, so yea hobbyists can get this down there's no reason why a full time fighter a world champ should not have this down via hard work.

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Old 11-08-2019, 04:40 PM #3
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But anyway the gifs may be wrong but the point is we see when hes on the pads sometimes he very fast sometimes its not so fast or good, and thats in the same session, and the reason for the inconsistency is a control issue. So thats the point im making.

There should be no control issue for a full time fighter who lives the sport. Imo. It just comes down to hard high quality work. Then you can have the fast "good" punches as the normal standard punch.

Also the midsection should not be used to power the punch its an insidious natural way we move while using the hip, that ruins kinetic linking speed and power. So he should make sure not to use it as he uses his hips. So this needs to be in mind as you do the reps. With more hip control it becomes alot easier to not use the midsection.

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Old 11-08-2019, 05:02 PM #4
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Fury is a freak of nature
With his size and akromegalia he moves great and is very fast
He can also cover his chin and the whole body with his long arms
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Fury is a freak of nature
With his size and akromegalia he moves great and is very fast
He can also cover his chin and the whole body with his long arms
Fury just comes along and says sorry my DNA is better than yours thanks for the belt, then he smells the blood of an Englishman.

Smart/skilled, fast, heavy, strong, good endurance , long range/huge, excellent chin.

For boxing genetics he is one lucky bugger

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Old 11-08-2019, 05:45 PM #6
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He is arm punching, not a lot of rotation, and he usually isn't "fully committing" like in that gif, if he committed he'd sink down turn his hips and upper body with the punch.

A lot of guys that are light on their toes and fleet-footed don't get proper power because they never sit down on their punches. The mobility and speed is more important to them than the power.
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He is arm punching, not a lot of rotation, and he usually isn't "fully committing" like in that gif, if he committed he'd sink down turn his hips and upper body with the punch.

A lot of guys that are light on their toes and fleet-footed don't get proper power because they never sit down on their punches. The mobility and speed is more important to them than the power.
Thats a good point it feels so much easier and better to punch like that, I love it, but its definitely not a smart move for Tyson in his current form, his foot work and head movement are too good to lessen, and his power currently is too weak for that to be a smart idea he wouldn't gain enough or much for it to be worth it, he wouldn't add much and it would take away alot of advantages, fighting like ALi/Holmes etc is better for Fury.

But valid point just not for him unless he gets real power but I dont think heavy hands would help Fury that much hes got such a winning set of attributes like Ali had, im not sure power is all its cracked up to be the Earnie shavers are almost handicapped vs the Ali types in boxing.

Absorbing punishment high endurance etc these are the real nightmare attributes in boxing, you dont want to fight someone you cant put away that has a high work rate.

Usually heavy hands comes with poor endurance or lessened work rate, its useful dont get me wrong I just see guys like ALi and Fury who have it much better without heavy hands than guys like Foreman Tyson or shavers.

You get these dominant champs and they tend to have everything but power and thats part of what makes them so good.

Endurance is so important and taking part of that away for power is a bad thing.

I think also speed comes with endurance together often, not many people would say that or agree, so thats yet another disadvantage to being heavy handed (I have an insight there its not about sprinter muscles vs weak endurance d muscles )

Errr rambling now but yea you can increase power without reducing endurance though, you can even increase both but thats more skill based

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I would like to see boxing in a smaller ring with Lower rounds, so a higher work rate is possible for everyone esp the punchers , and they cant run away/about , like Tua vs Mike Tyson or Foreman that would be epic in a small ring and with low rounds they could and must go hell for leather.

Power and speed are the most exciting attributes to me by a long shot

Also just imagine the punch up between Ali and Shavers had shavers not needed to pace himself over 15 goddamn rounds, hes not that type of athlete, its like we punish the most exciting fighters with the rules, which are totally subjective anyway who says it has to be that large of a ring or that many rounds?

Just imagine Shavers unleashing on Ali with pure damage, non stop for 5 rounds, now that would be epic, instead he has to pace himself and pick his shots while the endurance d guy just fires away for 15 rounds because he can.

Also the rounds would need to be scored for aggression offence and out put to encourage the fighters to smash each other to pieces , (otherwise theyd still pick shots like in kickboxing) now that is entertainment!

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Looks what he's doing w/ his legs vs what Wilder does w/ his legs. Wilder has terrible form but when he throws that right bomb, it starts in his feet, the right leg straightens into the punch, hips twist, shoulders, and the whole body is arched into the punch. It's the transfer of energy.

Look at Fury. His legs are upright and bent, hips don't turn, he isn't transferring power efficiently.

Now, there's things wrong about Wilder's right. He leans too far at times, making his follow-up left off balance and the falling-forward windmill effect. But, if you're asking why Fury doesn't have normal HW power, it's in the way he's throwing his punches.

These aren't right hands but here you can see one guys puts his body into the punches and one guy doesn't. The guy who doesn't will be able to move more quickly without losing balance, but he loses power in the process.


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Old 11-09-2019, 12:53 AM #10
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