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Old 05-21-2019, 03:22 PM #1
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In Washington, D.C., where drug wars have turned our national capital into the world`s murder capital, the most effective anti-drug unit has turned out to be an unusual bunch of volunteers who call themselves ''the dopebusters.''

They have no official connection to the police, the FBI or drug czar William Bennett.


They are Black Muslims, members of Minister Louis Farrakhan`s controversial Nation of Islam.

Armed with walkie-talkies, they patrol certain apartment buildings and housing developments in characteristic Muslim duds: Conservative suits, bow ties, white shirts and clean-shaven heads.


They began patrolling Mayfair Mansions, an all-black, formerly middle-class apartment development, last year after residents invited them to try their luck against local drug dealers.

The results were immediate and decisive. After a few confrontations with Muslim-style rough justice in Mayfair and the Paradise Manor apartments next door, local drug dealers took their trade elsewhere.


Local crime went down. Drug-related killings stopped. Though the District of Columbia police chief criticized the Muslim patrol as vigilantism at first, the support of some District council members brought cooperation. Residents breathed easier. Children again played outdoors. Senior citizens walked in peace.

Requests for more Muslim aid poured in from neighborhood, civic, tenant and religious groups throughout the Washington area. Just as criminal activity feeds on itself, so does community crime-fighting.

Yet the Muslim success has received little coverage outside the D.C. area. We are reluctant to take the Black Muslims seriously, it appears, even when they are making a serious dent in a serious problem.

By ignoring such grass-roots, community-based efforts, we may be cheating ourselves of information that can lead us to more effective solutions, with Muslims or without.

Like others, I have reservations about the use of Muslims as irregular volunteers in the anti-drug war. Their recent history has been riddled as much with controversy as their earlier days were riddled with bullets.

Take their regard for constitutional rights, for example. When a local television camera crew recorded about 10 Muslims meting out their special brand of rough justice on a man wielding a shotgun, the Muslims beat up the camera operator, too.


Then there are the charges of extortion. One apartment building manager said a Muslim representative told her that the Muslims would appreciate a

''donation'' of, say, $5,000 in exchange for dopebusters` security work.

Granted, the Muslims` clean-shaven bruisers can seem intimidating. Then again, good security costs. Public demand has outstripped the Muslims` ability to bear all costs themselves. What price safety?

When his men roughed up the TV crew, Dr. Abdul Alim Muhammad, the black physician who heads the Nation of Islam`s D.C. mosque, apologized. You have seen us at our worst, he pleaded to news media; now come back and see us at our best. Perhaps we should.

Robert Woodson, the black conservative who heads the Washington-based National Center for Neighborhood Enterprise, is dismayed that, as federal officials call for more police and beefed-up security in public housing, they overlook grass-roots crime-fighting efforts like the Muslim ''dopebusters.''

''We would rather risk failure with people with whom we are comfortable than risk success with those who hold unorthodox views,'' Woodson said.

It has become axiomatic among black commentators to wax nostalgic about the old days when those of us who grew up in black neighborhoods (they were not called ''ghettos'' then) looked out for each other, helped each other through hard times and disciplined each other`s children when they misbehaved. Our wealth was in our spirit and our moral network, woven too tight for social decay to eat its way through.

Back then, the Muslims were generally regarded as a quaint, if eccentric, group, selling their newspapers, philosophy and fresh fish door to door. No one would have guessed that now, in an age of unprecedented progress for black Americans, we would be looking to these same Muslims for a semblance of law and order.

Yet, today, with desegregation and upward mobility, our old support network is frayed and tattered, and the black poor find themselves more isolated than ever.

Although whites still outnumber blacks among those whose household income falls below the poverty line, Census Bureau data show most white poor live integrated with better-off whites while almost all black poor live in

''poverty areas,'' the ghettos.

In those areas, we find less to fear from the Ku Klux Klan and other threats of the past than we do from what Woodson calls ''the enemy within,'' a social decay that has mothers trading children for drugs and youngsters wielding Uzis in urban drug wars.

The Muslims are trying to tell us something. Maybe we should listen.
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Why was such an effort to clean up one's own community halted by outside sources?
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In essence, Minister Louis Farrakhan had virtually single-handedly done what no President, no government entity, could do—he won the War on Drugs! Despite the Muslim Dope Buster’s total success at stopping drugs at the street level and the testimonies of a cabinet secretary and a thousand delighted drug- and violence-free residents, a gaggle of groups led by Abraham Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) dedicated themselves to actually un-win the War on Drugs. They forced Congress to hold hearings and proceeded to counter the Nation of Islam’s extraordinary success.

Meyer Eisenberg, Jess Hordes, Michael Lieberman, and Mira Boland and Marc D. Stern showed up—not with a better anti-drug security plan for the HUD tenants, but with reams of fabricated “fact finding” against Minister Farrakhan and the NOI. According to sworn testimony, the ADL even waged “a campaign of intimidation against private vendors, such as Holiday Inn, Federal Express, Stouffer-Renaissance Hotels and the Washington Convention Center, who had contracted these [NOI] security firms to perform services.”

New York State Assemblyman Jules Polonetsky actually “made it his mission” to stop the Dope Busters, as he bragged to the New York Times (Oct. 20, 1996, CY10): “There are advantages to being a bull in a China shop. Some times you have to step on toes to get your way.” His way was to cancel the NOI’s $360,000 security contract:

“I found that they were doing a good job at providing security at the building. Tenants of the building attested to a drop in drug activity, and the local police precinct confirmed the decrease in criminal activity at the building. One officer said, bullets used to whiz there in the street. You can now…walk down the street.”

According to the conservative columnist and political commentator Armstrong Williams, when the NOI Dope Buster contracts were rescinded,

“Tenants of [Baltimore] city’s seven high-rise public housing projects complained bitterly. Wells Fargo Security, a competing firm that was eventually granted the security contract, drew the ire of residents who complained that crime, vandalism and violence had skyrocketed within a mere two months of the takeover. Within two years, Wells Fargo’s contracts were also canceled and the firm was chased out of town amid a rapidly disintegrating quality of life in the city’s housing projects.”
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D.C is the murder capital of the US. 24 murders per 100,000, more than double of the 2nd placed Louisiana with 10 murder per 100,000.

Also happens to be where 90% voted Democrat in 2016 more than anyone else in the US.


Coincidence???
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D.C is the murder capital of the US. 24 murders per 100,000, more than double of the 2nd placed Louisiana with 10 murder per 100,000.

Also happens to be where 90% voted Democrat in 2016 more than anyone else in the US.


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D.C is the murder capital of the US. 24 murders per 100,000, more than double of the 2nd placed Louisiana with 10 murder per 100,000.

Also happens to be where 90% voted Democrat in 2016 more than anyone else in the US.


Coincidence???
Let me start by saying, I'm not a Republican or Democrat.

But during the War on Drugs era in the 80's, the NOI was on the front line trying to clean up their own community. According to the residents, local police and politicians, they were doing a darn good job and were in fact asked to do community work across the country in other impoverished cities.

My question is, why were they criminalized and their operations/efforts to clean up their own communities shut down?

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I wonder how the WOD helped the penal system and those corporations that have contracts with the prison industrial system?
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I wonder how the WOD helped the penal system and those corporations that have contracts with the prison industrial system?

The population has doubled since then.

So in real terms the prison population has increased 4 fold.

Yet still many criminals walking around in America.
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The population has doubled since then.

So in real terms the prison population has increased 4 fold.

Yet still many criminals walking around in America.
The population doubled or the police increased their efforts to target a certain community?
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The population doubled or the police increased their efforts to target a certain community?
Drugs do bring crime.

The crime and murder rate in DC is appalling.
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