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Old 07-12-2018, 08:11 AM #1
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The Pew Research Center asked Americans who they thought did the best job as president in their lifetime. The top pick: former President Barack Obama.

Obama was the choice of 44 percent of the respondents in the poll, which was published Wednesday. Bill Clinton came in second with 33 percent and Ronald Reagan was third with 32 percent. Although not yet even halfway through his first term, President Donald Trump got 19 percent to place him in fourth place, ahead of both Bushes, John F. Kennedy and Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

According to Pew, Obama got 20 percent at about the same point in his presidency.

The survey was conducted from June 5-12 and 2,002 people were asked to give both their first and second choices. It has an error margin of 2.6 points.
I don't what is more surprising, Obama finishing 1st by such a wide margin or Trump finishing 4th.

Must be some type of "modern" or "recent" bias, for lack of a better term.
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:48 AM #3
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I don't what is more surprising, Obama finishing 1st by such a wide margin or Trump finishing 4th.

Must be some type of "modern" or "recent" bias, for lack of a better term.


of course there is. these guys serve 4-8 years. there are not that many of them. i can hardly remember pre clinton and i'm not a young man. most people aren't political scholars. their evaluation of a presidency is formed by what they experienced and what they have been told by sources they trust and deem credible.

i think particularly in the advent of all of this hugely partisan stuff post 2016 election people are influenced by a belief system that's already ingrained. people who voted for trump, who although he has presided over a strong economy is a mockery, surely aren't doing that based on a review of performance. the guy has only been in office for a year and a half!
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Good points. I think the Obama, Clinton, Reagan rankings are accurate and interesting.
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Old 07-12-2018, 09:04 AM #5
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i think particularly in the advent of all of this hugely partisan stuff post 2016 election people are influenced by a belief system that's already ingrained. people who voted for trump, who although he has presided over a strong economy is a mockery, surely aren't doing that based on a review of performance. the guy has only been in office for a year and a half!
Yeah I agree in that I think it goes both ways. I've heard way too many people as of late suggest Obama or Trump were the best or worst president ever, when neither phrase accurately applies to either.
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Oh there's no question he was. It will become more and more obvious as the years pass.

clinton presided over more growth in gdp, jobs, reduced debt, was a better president by most objective criteria in regard to the economy.

obama was a better person and more likable [though clinton was likable, he cheated on his wife in the white house, probably did it all the time,] i will give him that.
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... now... why don't you quote the original source?... (which is Pew Research Center):

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... when you go there you may find out that the actual outcome is due to "Millennial" and "Gen X"...
... you may also find that "the analysis in this report is based on telephone interviews conducted June 5-12, 2018 among a national sample of 2,002 adults, 18 years of age or older"...
... my poor "sociological experience" tells that face-to-face interviews are far better than the telephone interviews... in addition to this: a 2,000 sample is too narrow for the U.S.
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... now... why don't you quote the original source?... (which is Pew Research Center):

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... when you go there you may find out that the actual outcome is due to "Millennial" and "Gen X"...
... you may also find that "the analysis in this report is based on telephone interviews conducted June 5-12, 2018 among a national sample of 2,002 adults, 18 years of age or older"...
... my poor "sociological experience" tells that face-to-face interviews are far better than the telephone interviews... in addition to this: a 2,000 sample is too narrow for the U.S.
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later edit: ... these kids never heard of Franklin D. Roosevelt, for instance...

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clinton presided over more growth in gdp, jobs, reduced debt, was a better president by most objective criteria in regard to the economy.

obama was a better person and more likable [though clinton was likable, he cheated on his wife in the white house, probably did it all the time,] i will give him that.
GDP and unemployment are good metrics, but ethical and moral impacts a president has don't really show up in metrics and I personally think those impacts are more important than things like GDP.
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... now... why don't you quote the original source?... (which is Pew Research Center):

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... when you go there you may find out that the actual outcome is due to "Millennial" and "Gen X"...
... you may also find that "the analysis in this report is based on telephone interviews conducted June 5-12, 2018 among a national sample of 2,002 adults, 18 years of age or older"...
... my poor "sociological experience" tells that face-to-face interviews are far better than the telephone interviews... in addition to this: a 2,000 sample is too narrow for the U.S.
I posted the article I saw. What is wrong with that?

I posted the link then I made sure to include the information you are posting here. I don't understand why you are suggesting I didn't provide this info or somehow tried to hide it.
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