Why HBO Sent Top Rank Packing and if Bob isn't careful ESPN will too

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  • whoelsebutjames
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    Why HBO Sent Top Rank Packing and if Bob isn't careful ESPN will too

    The Anatomy of Non-PPV Mismatch, and who left who

    First let's look at a quote from Bob.
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    "The people at HBO still don’t understand what makes a fight entertaining,” Bob Arum says. “I have to understand because I’m a promoter...... ‘These are the fights that we’re telling you to want,’ and the public is smarter than that.”
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    Back to that in a minute.

    While Arums move to ESPN, has been largely heralded as smartest business move of the year, it was probably smarter business for HBO. HBO sided with Top Rank in the war against GBP(2013)/PBC/Showtime, it's boxing ratings have continually declined. Leading them to decline airing Pacquiao vs Vargas, and releasing Pacquiao from his contract.

    HBO released this thinly veiled statement.
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    "Our fight lineup includes an array of 50-50 competitive fights, culminating with the best fight of 2017 in Canelo Alvarez versus Gennady Golovkin on September 16," Nelson told ESPN.
    "We, however, cannot show every fight, though we remain fans of Terence and Vasyl, and proud of what we did for their careers together with Top Rank. We wish them the best( big lols)."
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    In other words.... the audiences are tired of the mismatches too. And contrary to what I quoted from Bob, HBO believes they do know what a good fight is.

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    , as I said in a previous post. Bob is the megalomaniac. He has to tell everybody how smart that he is.... Well, HBO might be slow but not slower than your average boxingscene poster.

    Let's look deeper.....

    Hbo paid Crawford 1.2 million and Hank Lundy 150k to stand in front of him. That's at least 2.2 million spent on a bout that drew 980k viewers. That's over 2.3 million every 1 million* viewers, rounded.

    Hbo paid Cotto(Arum) 2 million and Yuri Foreman (Arum)750k to stand in front of him. That's nearly 2.7 million spent on a bout 1.9 million viewers. This is an important metric since Rounded, that's a roughly 1.3 million spent per million viewers. In boxing, when the channel pays for the rights to televise broadcast and own the recording it's called licensing fees by the way. I would of assumed that the live gate would have offset the cost to HBO but according to this article, I'm wrong---As Bob is quoted saying HBO paid 2.7 million in licensing fees for this fight.
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    1. Basically, for a mismatch HBO pays a 1 to 2 dollar per viewer. For a fight with a 2 million budget the TOP RANK fighter demands nears 75%-90% of the purse-- half of that to ARUM--and the opponent who doesn't belong in the ring gets pennies.
    2. Only horrible fighters are going to be willing to fight for such a small piece of the pie
    3. 2 million for one fight out of 25 million budget.

    In comparison.

    Between 2012 and 2015, game of thrones cost about 6million and episode to make. In 2014, Thrones averaged 14.4 million viewers. That's about a million dollars spent every 2.4 million viewers

    Trueblood reportedly cost about 3 million an episode and had about 7 million viewerss. That's about a millions dollars spent every 2.3 million viewers. Plus they can peddle DVDs and iTunes rentals/downloads of tv shows. Nobody buys old fights.

    HBO basically pays 0.50 per viewer for shows with a larger audience. Bob made boxing cost a $1.00 per viewer at the least.

    Think about it-- They have a 123+ million subscribers to entertain. HBO makes about 1.1 Billion a year from subscriber service. Espn makes about 3.9 billion from Ads, and 6 Billion from app subscribers services. While ESPN ad revenue 3x that of the revenue generated by HBO it would be foolhardy to think they will throw money away at constant mismatches either.


    ESPN presumably paid 750 k for Lomanchenko to practice his double end bag technique on Marriaga, who was tethered down with a 50k check, a total of 800k. In return they got about 730k viewers. In comparison, Walters vs Lomachenko didn't 760k viewers. But with HBO the pool of viewers was much smaller than cable. So that fells you how bad it is.

    See, Loma needs Rigos, after all.

    ESPN also worried us boxing fans by not announcing that they were switching it to ESPN2. Neither did they bother to turn off the NFL HOF induction that had about 690k viewers. Possibly because it was doing bigger numbers on the NFL network-- and wanted to spitefully drain them. But, it felt like a bad omen for boxings fresh start. And it definately meant they weren't all-in with Bobs boxing.

    The cost of a 30 second commercial is said to average 30k. With 12, 1 minute breaks over as many of three fights; potentially 2.3 million. Plus breaks in between fights, and various things that can be cut out in favor of more advertising time. That looks good but unlike premium channels, cable tv works off viewership rating. In essence, the percentage of total viewers tuned into television at any given period. Low ratings means lower rates for the commercials and so on and so on. 700k viewers may or may not get done. Especially at the price point and purse splits Bob is using to attract opponents.

    All of that is to say this, Bob Arums mismatches hurt the brand of HBO. ESPN may have been enticed by the 4.4 million from PAC Vs Horn, but they'll quickly forget if 700k becomes the new norm. Bob took a risky gamble on Horn and if the fans don't respond, he might of done more harm then good for the sport of boxing.

    Bob had it too good at HBO, they paid him to make himself money(cut from the fighter and gate)with little to no risk. He used their network to build up hype for real fights that were only available on PPV. And, HBO says the money they can make off PPV is capped, and not much at all, compared to what they get from their subscribers.

    I'll end this with Bob.

    “In my opinion, they have an obligation to distribute this fight....
    The fact that they passed means the contract is over, it seems clear to me.....My feeling is, based on my legal background, is that the contract is terminated,” said Arum.- in reference to HBO passing on televising PAC vs Horn.
  • Lester Tutor
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    #2
    ESPN is strictly sports. HBO has to put in side pieces for its Boxing platform. ESPN is laxed

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    • Steven Mccowan
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      #3
      Ok ill be certain to send this top information over to top rank immediately. Im sure theyll give you a top job in the company. Thanks for cracking the code kid. Youre a hero lol

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      • whoelsebutjames
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        #4
        Originally posted by Steven Mccowan
        Ok ill be certain to send this top information over to top rank immediately. Im sure theyll give you a top job in the company. Thanks for cracking the code kid. Youre a hero lol
        Why you taking it so personal?!?! Lmao

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        • whoelsebutjames
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          Originally posted by Mirko Troll Cop
          ESPN is strictly sports. HBO has to put in side pieces for its Boxing platform. ESPN is laxed
          You have a partial point. ESPN averages close to 900k viewers throughout the whole week. You could put competive grass growing on ESPN and it will get 600k viewers.

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            #6
            Making Rigo. vs Loma in Dec. would help......

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            • Eff Pandas
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              #7
              I actually felt like this was coming for a long time & its not about all the stuff mentioned although respect for the homework you did.

              Nelson & Arum do not like each other. The day Nelson got his job several cats where saying this would not go well between these two. Its just a headache for these two to deal with each other. And there is nothing that HBO offers Arum or Arum offers HBO that makes them need to deal with the other guy for longer then was necessary.

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              • WesternChamp
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                #8
                you have to much time on your hand. come clean my bathroom.

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                • whoelsebutjames
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by j.razor
                  Making Rigo. vs Loma in Dec. would help......
                  Exactly my point. He needs to make the fight. But he's pretending he doesn't to pay Rigo pennies. I forgot where I saw it but I believe he offered Rigo like 100k, that's a 1/5 of his initial offers to Walters(his own fighter), a 1/3 of what he actualled paid Walters and 2x what he paid Marriaga.

                  They both need the fight. Arum needs it more. Rigo can make 100k elsewhere. There aren't too many options that will attract massive viewers. The options that will are even more dangerous. Such as Mikey Garcia.

                  Originally posted by WesternChamp
                  you have to much time on your hand. come clean my bathroom.
                  You're a b@tch and a f@g you really came to get my attention. You're like a little h@e that feels the need to drop things so you can bend over an pick it up while I watch. Western Tramp

                  Originally posted by Eff Pandas
                  I actually felt like this was coming for a long time & its not about all the stuff mentioned although respect for the homework you did.

                  Nelson & Arum do not like each other. The day Nelson got his job several cats where saying this would not go well between these two. Its just a headache for these two to deal with each other. And there is nothing that HBO offers Arum or Arum offers HBO that makes them need to deal with the other guy for longer then was necessary.
                  I figured the post was too long for the attention spans around here but since most boxing sites don't post articles like this. The information is out there for those who think.

                  Good point. I saw that. I didnt want to read too much into it since I don't know much about Nelson. These guys are always making up facts. If you refute them then they bring out fake economics. It's an endless cycle of repeat, retract,and rebuttal. Even when they concede a point they retract it and then outnumber you with volume. Boxingscene posts things from the point of view that is most popular with its followers. They are far from unbiased or even well researched. So I play the game with facts.

                  Repeat, retract and rebuttal. I like that.
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                  NEW YORK – Bob Arum’s love-hate relationship with HBO took another tumultuous turn Saturday night. The outspoken promoter promised a group of reporters during a ringside rant at Madison Square Garden that he won’t wait around for HBO to offer dates to his company, Top Rank Inc. Arum wants gifted fighters like Terence Crawford and Vasyl Lomachenko to fight on a more regular basis and has grown tired of frustrating battles with the premium cable channel’s hierarchy over broadcasting his company’s fights.


                  “That’s none of your f***ing business,” Arum said. “What the f*** are you talking about? HBO has done great for boxing. They’ve been very good to boxing. I have nothing bad to say about HBO, but they’re just a f***in’ network. That’s all they are. They don’t own the business of boxing.
                  “And you may also wanna call up the guy over at Showtime and tell him the same thing. He don’t own boxing. He’s just a f***ing network that puts on stuff for their subscribers.”

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                  • filup79
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                    #10
                    You forgot to mention all the GGG and Ward mismatches HBO payed for. They just paid for a Cotto mismatch as well, along with some of Canelo's. Only reason HBO is allowed to show good 50-50 fights like this week is because they aren't paying those fighters a lot of money. They are probably spending around 2 million for the whole card, with Gonzalez making the most at around 500k. The only exciting fights have been from fighters that don't demand a big purse. You will never get a 50-50 fight from 2 top names on regular HBO. Showtime/PBC has had good matchups between two top names on regular cable, HBO would have never been able to put those fights on.

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