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43 KNOCK OUTS in 49 fights!
88% Knockout ratio

Didnt fight anyone special? Rocky Marciano has one of the most impressive resumes in any divisions history.

-Archie Moore -------------- Recognized as top 5
-"Jersey" Joe Walcott twice - One of the top 10
-Joe Louis ------------------ Recognized as best boxer in history
-Phil Muscato
-Freddie Beshore
-Harry "Kid" Matthews
-Ezzard Charles (Twice)
-Roland LaStanza (Twice) --- One of the top five chins in history

Its not just that he fought legends, he beat them all, mostly by KO.

Rocky Marciano has the highest percentage of KOs than any other Heavyweight boxer in history at 88%. We already came to a conclusion that its more impressive than George Foremans record of his fist 49 fights as Rocky Marciano fought 2X's as many legends and even more iron chins.


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Originally Posted by Myself
-Top 5 greatest chins in boxing history along with, Joe Grim, Jake Lamotta, and i forgot other two.
-Highest knockout percentage than any other heavyweight champion in history - 88% only other person to come close was George Foreman with 87%, then it drops to 60's.
-looks funny on old film, but Louis, and all of the other champions all said the same thing, he is incredibly difficult to hit.
-Louis, Walcott, and George Foreman all placed him as number 2 boxer in the history of the sport.
-The arguement about Marciano beating champs after they are past their prime is absoulte garbage, do you know when he beat Walcott there was a 9 year difference, but when Louis, Walcott, Tyson, Ali won the title they all won it from boxers with more of a age difference? Its all true.
-Marciano was only like 187lbs, much smaller than most heavyweights of the time, but still beat them all, 88% by KO.
-P4P best boxer in human history? Definatley of heavyweight division. Only Louis could beat him, which he failed too do twice.
-He beat the best that ever lived.
-when he was 46 years old he beat Ali in a exhibition fight that was deterrimined by computer, noone can say it was incorrect. He died shortly after.

Rocky Marciano had his own defensive style of boxing, it was sloppy looking, but incredibly successful. It was much harder to land any punch on Marciano as he would duck more throw his body back and jump around than what it would seem. Check out his moves here.

The Greatest Heavyweight Champion EVER!
My rating: 5 out of 5
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Comments: Rocky Marciano was an Italian-American boxer who is the greatest Heavyweight champion to ever box, he is the only heavyweight champion to have retire UDEFEATED after FOUR YEARS of holding the title. He fought the best and he beat the best. A huge achievement that noone else has equaled. Heres a famous clip of his knockout of Joe Louis, [Link View Has Been Removed. Click Here To Unlock This Content.]

Still dont believe me? Fine dont take my word, take the word of the Legends that lost to him.

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Originally Posted by Joe Louis
Marciano is a good puncher and he's hard to hit. He has a funny style.
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Originally Posted by Joe Louis
He's a good fighter. Better than most people realize. He's strong and young and hard to hit.
asked where Marciano had improved most between the first and second fights:
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Originally Posted by Roland LaStanza
In defense. It was harder to get at him... Rocky fools you. He doesn't take as much punishment as it seems. He looks easy to hit inside but he isn't.
Others
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Originally Posted by Keene Simon
He fools you. When you loook at him from outside the ring he seems easy to hit but if you're in the ring with him you find this isn't the case. His head is bobbing and he's crouched low, so low in fact that you can't get a clear shot at him.
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Originally Posted by Charlie Goldman
He ain't easy to hit as they say. Rocky rolls under punches and he weaves under punches... He protects his belly by blocking punches with his elbows.
Ali said he was surprised at how hard it was to land a hit on Marciano when they had the exhibition, the computer match.
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Arguement that Marciano only beat people past their prime.
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Originally Posted by Boxing facts
Taking the title from older men:
You would think Marciano was the only champion who recieved his title shot against an older opponent, to hear some critics howl. Let's take a little look at boxing history and see if anyone else beat up an old man to become the champion. Hmmm....

Marciano was 9 years younger than Walcott
But...
Dempsey was 13 years younger than Willard
James J. Jefferies was 12 years younger than Bob Fitzsimmons
Louis was 12 years younger than Braddock
Ali was 10 years younger than Liston
Holmes was 6 years younger than Norton
Spinks was 11 years younger than Ali
Tyson was 14 years younger than Trevor Berbick (WBC Champion)
Tyson was 12 years younger than James "Bonecrusher" Smith (WBA Champion)
Jim Corbett was 8 years younger than John L. Sullivan

So, the average age difference for these championship fights was 11 years. Rocky therefore had less of an age factor advantage than Dempsey, Jefferies, Louis, Ali, Spinks, Tyson, and Corbett.

Non-title fights:
Marciano was 10 years younger than Archie Moore
But wait....
Ali was 19 years younger than Archie Moore!!!
Patterson was 21 years younger than Archie Moore!!!!
Joe Louis was 9 years younger than Max Schmelling. (Max KO'd Joe and was later KO'd by him)
Louis was 12 years younger than Jack Sharkey
Ali was 8 years younger than Henry Cooper
Ali was 7 years younger than Patterson
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Seems to me these facts speak louder than anything else. Marcianos age difference is actually lower than all of the other legends when they won their titles.

Their was a ten year age difference between Moore and Marciano, significant but not nearly as bad as some of the above, and they are more well known that Marciano.

Check this out, Floyd Patterson was 21 years younger than Archie Moore and Archie KOed him by the fifth round. This happened after Marciano KOed Archie Moore.
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Nov 30 Floyd Patterson Chicago KO by 5
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And it took Tyson 12 rounds, in his prime, to win a fight with James Smith by desicion. Tyson was 14 years younger than James Smith
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Mar 3 James Smith Las Vegas, NV W 12
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If you think winning a desicion over James Smith, who the hell is that, with a 14 year age difference is more impressive than KOing a man 10 years older than you that has gone down in history as one of the finest men in boxing you are the most biased person on these boards.


in 1969 Marciano had an exhibition match when at 46 years old with a much younger Muhammad Ali who had was already established himself as the greatest. The 46 year old Marciano beat Ali. You can argue the computer was wrong, we all know computers are unreliable.
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Punching power
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Joe Louis, knocked out by Rocky in the 8th round, said of Marciano, "It hurt to bump into him....He hits harder than Max Schmeling...this kid is tough enough to beat anyone."
He also said, "The Rock didn't know too much about the boxing book, but it wasn't a book he hit me with. It was a whole library of bone crushers."
Jersey Joe Walcott, who lost his title to Marciano in a 13th round KO and a rematch in a 1st round KO, was asked who hit harder, Joe Louis or Rocky Marciano. "Joe could take you out with combinations...Marciano was a one-punch artist. He threw every punch like you throw a baseball, as hard as he could. I have to say, with all respect to Joe, Marciano hit harder." Ezzard Charles "Rocky numbs you all over. Wherever he hits you, he hurts you; on the arms, the shoulders, the neck and the head." Archie Moore (KO'd in 9th), when asked by reporters which of Marciano's punches hurt him, said, "Man they all hurt."
He also said, "After a fight with Marciano, it felt like you had been beat all over the upper body with a blackjack or hit with rocks."
"He could hurt you, sure, but it was the quantity of his punches. He just had more stamina than anyone else in those days. He was like a bull with gloves." Roland LaStarza "I would throw a hard punch, then he would throw a hard punch. The difference was that Rocky would throw 10 more. He just never stopped throwing punches."
How could a 5'10 185lb man be so powerful? He was simply the most conditioned fighter to ever enter the ring. Noone will argue with you on that one. He was 185lbs but more powerful than most 200+lb punchers.
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In their second fight, Ezzard Charles missed an uppercut and hit Marciano with his elbow, splitting his left nostril wide open.
"It's split in half," Goldman graoned in the corner. "How we gonna stop the bleeding?"
"You ain't," Allie Colombo shouted. "There's no way you're going to stop that. Rock, you gotta get him! You gotta get him, or they could stop the fight!"
"Go after him now or you'll bleed to death," Goldman told Marciano.
In a fury, Rocky charged out of his corner, blood flying, and battered Charles to the mat. Ezzard gamely rose at four, but Marciano was relentless, knocking him out with a furious combination of punches.
"It was amazing," New England promoter Sam Silverman said. "The fight couldn't possibly have gone another round without the referee stopping it. They just couldn't stop the bleeding. It had to be an elbow. No punch could make a cut like that. There was Rocky in the middle of a tough fight, but when he had to KO Charles, he did. It was unbelievable."
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Tough punchers Marciano fought
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Rex Layne, a powerful puncher, who knocked out 25 of his first 36 opponents. 69%
Harry "Kid" Mathews, with 61 KOs in 87 wins. 70%.
Archie Moore, the man who holds the record for the most knock outs of any fighter who ever lived; 145 KOs in 199 wins. 73%.
Walcott, 30 KOs in 50 wins, for 60%.
Joe Louis, 49 KOs in 63 wins, 78%
Eddie Ross 23 KOs in 26 wins at time they fought. 88%
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As you can see he fought some of the top punchers in boxing history.


How the legends ranked Marciano
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Originally Posted by George Foreman
1. Joe Louis
2. Rocky Marciano
3. Jack Johnson
4. Muhammad Ali
5. Joe Frazier
6. Jack Dempsey
7. Mike Tyson
8. Sonny Liston
9. Floyd Patterson
10. Evander Holyfield


"Just look at Rocky Marciano's record. Nobody beat him. You can't take that from him. Only because he depended solely on his left hook do I rate Joe Frazier below Marciano. Marciano could hit with both hands."
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Originally Posted by Joe Frazier
1. Joe Louis
2. Rocky Marciano
3. Joe Frazier

Joe Louis is the greatest heavyweight champion of all time. Rocky Marciano is second only to Louis. Where do I rate Ali? Somewhere below me. I beat him, and if I could beat him, no doubt Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano could have beat him.
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Originally Posted by DateLine: 12/30/99
1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Rocky Marciano
4. Jack Dempsey
5. Jack Johnson
6. Larry Holmes
7. Sonny Liston
8. Joe Frazier
9. Sam Langford
10. Jersey Joe Walcott
Rocky Marciano's record
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Originally Posted by Boxing.About
1947
Mar 17 -- Lee Epperson, Holyoke, MA -- KO 3

1948
Jul 12 -- Harry Balzerian, Providence, RI -- KO 1
Jul 19 -- John Edwards, Providence, RI -- KO 1
Aug 9 -- Bobby Quinn, Providence, RI -- KO 3
Aug 23 -- Eddie Ross, Providence, RI -- KO 1
Aug 30 -- Jimmy Weeks, Providence, RI -- KO 1
Sep 13 -- Jerry Jackson, Providence, RI -- KO 1
Sep 20 -- Bill Hardeman, Providence, RI -- KO 1
Sep 30 -- Gil Cardione, Washington, DC -- KO 1
Oct 4 -- Bob Jefferson, Providence, RI -- KO 2
Nov 29 -- Patrick Connolly, Providence, RI -- KO 1
Dec 14 -- Gilley Ferron, Philadelphia, PA -- KO 2

1949
Mar 21 -- Johnny Pretzie, Providence, RI -- KO 5
Mar 28 -- Artie Donator, Providence, RI -- KO 1
Apr 11 -- James Walls, Providence, RI -- KO 3
May 2 -- Jimmy Evans, Providence, RI -- KO 3
May 23 -- Don Mogard, Providence, RI -- W 10
Jul 18 -- Harry Haft, Providence, RI -- KO 3
Aug 16 -- Pete Louthis, New Bedford, MA -- KO 3
Sep 26 -- Tommy Giorgio, Providence, RI -- KO 4
Oct 10 -- Ted Lowry, Providence, RI -- W 10
Nov 7 -- Joe Domonic, Providence, RI -- KO 2
Dec 2 -- Pat Richards, New York, NY -- KO 2
Dec 19 -- Phil Muscato, Providence, RI -- KO 5
Dec 30 -- Carmine Vingo, New York, NY -- KO 6

1950
Mar 24 -- Roland LaStarza, New York, NY -- W 10
Jun 5 -- Eldridge Eatman, New York, NY -- KO 3
Jul 10 -- Gino Buonvino, Boston, MA -- KO 10
Sep 18 -- Johnny Shkor, Providence, RI -- KO 6
Nov 13 -- Ted Lowry, Providence, RI -- W 10
Dec 18 -- Bill Wilson, Providence, RI -- KO 1

1951
Jan 29 -- Keene Simmons, Providence, RI -- KO 8
Mar 20 -- Harold Mitchell, Hartford, CT -- KO 2
Mar 26 -- Art Henri, Providence, RI -- KO 9
Apr 30 -- Red Applegate, Providence, RI -- W 10
Jul 12 -- Rex Layne, New York, NY -- KO 6
Aug 27 -- Freddie Beshore, Boston, MA -- KO 4
Oct 26 -- Joe Louis, New York, NY -- KO 8

1952
Feb 13 -- Lee Savold, Philadelphia, PA -- KO 6
Apr 21 -- Gino Buonvino, Providence, RI -- KO 2
May 12 -- Bernie Reynolds, Providence, RI -- KO 3
Jul 28 -- Harry Matthews, New York, NY -- KO 2
Sep 23 -- Jersey Joe Walcott, Philadelphia, PA -- KO 13
(Won World Heavyweight Title)

1953
May 15 -- Jersey Joe Walcott, Chicago, IL -- KO 1
(Retained World Heavyweight Title)
Sep 24 -- Roland LaStarza, New York, NY -- KO 11
(Retained World Heavyweight Title)

1954
Jun 19 -- Ezzard Charles, New York, NY -- W 15
(Retained World Heavyweight Title)
Sep 17 -- Ezzard Charles, New York, NY -- KO 8
(Retained World Heavyweight Title)

1955
May 16 -- Don ****ell, San Francisco, CA -- KO 9
(Retained World Heavyweight Title)
Sep 21 -- Archie Moore, New York, NY -- KO 9
(Retained World Heavyweight Title)

1956
Apr 27 -- Announced Retirement

1970
Jan 20 -- Muhammad Ali -- TKO 8
(movie/computer fight)
I leave you with this,
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Originally Posted by George Foreman
Just look at Rocky Marciano's record. Nobody beat him. You can't take that from him.
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Damn, Hous!!! Karma You're Way...that's A Helluva Lot Of Work!!

PS: While I don't agree with Rocky ranking higher than 8th or so, I give him all the respect in the world....and due respect to you for doin' a helluva lot of homework. Props!!
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every name fighter that he beat was old and on the down side of the hill. Granted, the other talent in the division was not the deepest pool but it was exceptable. Is he the greatest? In my mind no he is not. Could he be the greatest? Sure, every one has an opinion. Does that make you stupid for having that opinion? No, its a ****ing opinion.............

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it aint work, its called copy and paste, he's had this on another thread
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every name fighter that he beat was old and on the down side of the hill. Granted, the other talent in the division was not the deepest pool but it was exceptable. Is he the greatest? In my mind no he is not. Could he be the greatest? Sure, every one has an opinion. Does that make you stupid for having that opinion? No, its a ****ing opinion.............

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Old 05-04-2006, 01:58 AM #9
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exactly what were trying to tell the redarded idiot
Basicaly what you just said. Thanks for saving me the time and effort.

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every name fighter that he beat was old and on the down side of the hill. Granted, the other talent in the division was not the deepest pool but it was exceptable. Is he the greatest? In my mind no he is not. Could he be the greatest? Sure, every one has an opinion. Does that make you stupid for having that opinion? No, its a ****ing opinion.............

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You obviously haven't learned much, its not a opinion that makes someone stupid its the ignoring the facts. The sole purpose of this is to show facts, thats why there is almost no first person language in the articule. I didnt make this up, if you dont believe Marciano wasn't "THE GREATEST," thats an opinion, i personally dont think he is either. Alot of people come on here spewing bull**** about something they know nothing of. I dont know where you came the conclusion where I said you were stupid if you dont agree, the title is, "Rocky Marciano: Read this before smeone makes you look stupid with the facts!" Not, "Agree with this or your a dumbass."

Get your own facts straight.
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