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Old 11-14-2019, 05:44 PM #39801
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What does this matter to you when you've already gone on record saying it's 100% likely that Trump withheld security funds in order to coerce Ukraine to provide help with his political career?
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What I said or what I believe means nothing to what they can prove, not to mention how stupid they look in the process.
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Nope. Total lie. And you know it.

The military aid was ultimately given to Ukraine without any promise of investigation.

But of course there were other conditions that had to be met by Ukraine to receive the aid. Such is life, and all negotiations are based on conditions for both parties. But investigating Bidenís son wasnít one of them.
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Old 11-14-2019, 05:51 PM #39804
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What I said or what I believe means nothing to what they can prove, not to mention how stupid they look in the process.
Well then what convinced you that he's guilty if it was nothing from what the Dems have shown thus far? You just came up with that all on your own?
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Old 11-14-2019, 05:55 PM #39805
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Nope. Total lie. And you know it.

The military aid was ultimately given to Ukraine without any promise of investigation.

But of course there were other conditions that had to be met by Ukraine to receive the aid. Such is life, and all negotiations are based on conditions for both parties. But investigating Bidenís son wasnít one of them.
What is a total lie? I'm talking about his opinion, which is obviously not a lie. He believes Trump 100% withheld the funds in a quid pro quo exchange.

The money was given after the whistleblower complaint was made aware. The defense that, "But it was given after the jux was up," doesn't really move me.
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Old 11-14-2019, 05:56 PM #39806
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What I said or what I believe means nothing to what they can prove, not to mention how stupid they look in the process.
lol

Mulvaney and others have already admitted it

The issue is not Trumpís guilt as thatís already a given

Itís whether enough pressure can be established to cripple him politically
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What I said or what I believe means nothing to what they can prove, not to mention how stupid they look in the process.
It's not a trial, only a hearing. They don't have to prove anything, that's up to the Senate and the trial, assuming it goes that far.

It's basically a Grand Jury. Do we have enough evidence to go to a trial and get a conviction, or not? The only "trial" here is public opinion.

This is all moot anyway because the Republican controlled senate won't vote to remove Trump from office. Under practically any circumstances.
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