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Old 02-17-2013, 01:52 PM #11
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Carnera may not have been that good.....but we're going to act like 95% of who the Klitschko's have fought are good.....
of course not but everyone forgets marciano, louis, ali, even tyson fought bums all through their careers. just back then there was no pay per view, youtube and frigging boxing forums for people to analyse it so closely.

im sure I read that some fella louis fought was a farmhand whose entire training regime involved bench pressing pigs and sparring with his grandmother

i may have exagerrated a little bit there but it was something like that haha
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carnerra was terrible and a mob fighter.he was more circus like.i cant imagine him contending in any era but the one he was in
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You always hear how Joe Louis wouldn't be able to beat an average Heavyweight today because of the size difference. But.....Joe beat Primo Carnera, who was like 6'5'' and 255-260 lbs in size. And let's not act like he was any less skilled than the majority of the heavyweights today (excluding Wlad and Vitali themselves of course).

But basically....given Joe beat a BIG HEAVYWEIGHT like Carnera in his day, do you think he'd be able to beat these big heavyweights today???
Carnera was complete garbage and worse than todays valuev.
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Primo Carnera makes Nikolay 'Sugar' Valuev look like an ATG. Joe Louis would get mauled by the Klitschko's
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The Klitschkos (and Lennox) destroy all of those little old guys. Maricano was 185 pounds, not even a heavyweight by today's standards, fer crissake.

Lennox and the K-Bros walk through all those midgets like a hot knife though butter.

The people who can't accept this are Americans, mostly, because before Lennox and the Klitschkos, they owned the HW division.

If there had been no Soviet Union and no prohibitions on East Euros fighting professionally, the history of boxing would look very different today.

And that fact scares the Amerikans, who only like sports when they are dominating them.

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The Klitschkos (and Lennox) destroy all of those little old guys. Maricano was 185 pounds, not even a heavyweight by today's standards, fer crissake.

Lennox and the K-Bros walk through all those midgets like a hot knife though butter.

The people who can't accept this are Americans, mostly, because before Lennox and the Klitschkos, they owned the HW division.

If there had been no Soviet Union and no prohibitions on East Euros fighting professionally, the history of boxing would look very different today.

And that fact scares the Amerikans, who only like sports when they are dominating them.
Of course it would, but not nearly as much as you'd like to think. Proof of this is how many of these fighters did against one another in the amateurs. Why weren't Ali, Frazier, Foreman and even the likes of Pete Radamacher being blown out then against grown men? Face it, these things run in cycles.

Oh, and Joe Louis destroys every fighter today.
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Of course it would, but not nearly as much as you'd like to think. Proof of this is how many of these fighters did against one another in the amateurs. Why weren't Ali, Frazier, Foreman and even the likes of Pete Radamacher being blown out then against grown men? Face it, these things run in cycles.

Oh, and Joe Louis destroys every fighter today.
...if he was taller and heavier
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Of course it would, but not nearly as much as you'd like to think. Proof of this is how many of these fighters did against one another in the amateurs. Why weren't Ali, Frazier, Foreman and even the likes of Pete Radamacher being blown out then against grown men? Face it, these things run in cycles.

Oh, and Joe Louis destroys every fighter today.
a guy who got put into a coma by max schmelling is not destroying any recent hw division
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a guy who got put into a coma by max schmelling is not destroying any recent hw division
That's about as stupid as saying a guy who lost to Ross Puritty could never be champion in any other era.
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The Klitschkos (and Lennox) destroy all of those little old guys. Maricano was 185 pounds, not even a heavyweight by today's standards, fer crissake.

Lennox and the K-Bros walk through all those midgets like a hot knife though butter.

The people who can't accept this are Americans, mostly, because before Lennox and the Klitschkos, they owned the HW division.

If there had been no Soviet Union and no prohibitions on East Euros fighting professionally, the history of boxing would look very different today.

And that fact scares the Amerikans, who only like sports when they are dominating them.
Great post. Those smaller guys just wouldn't hang with the super heavy, skilled hws of today. Americans deny this because they know they're on the losing end. Without the cold war Russians and eastern Europeans would have been ruling the hw division throughout the 80s and the 90s. Americans are so one-eyed.
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