|12-17-2012, 05:50 PM||#121|
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For me Tyson is more lore than substance. He had a 3 or 4 year hot streak vs. some decent journeymen and then faded out. He never beat any top ATG level fighters, he always lost big when he stepped up. He is a convicted rapist and a cannibal.
I guess people feel sorry for the guy and make excuses for him but I got no regard for him.
|12-17-2012, 11:40 PM||#122|
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Yeah plus nobody wanted to see a Tyson Douglas rematch after Douglas looked so horrible and out of shape against Holyfield. Holyfield was in line for the next title shot and that's why he got Douglas next. Fans seemed more interested in a Tyson-Holyfield fight at that point, which would've happened then without the early stoppage in the first Ruddock fight, leading to a rematch and Tyson's prison term.
|12-18-2012, 09:12 AM||#123|
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|12-18-2012, 09:28 AM||#124|
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|12-18-2012, 09:36 AM||#125|
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It was a premature stoppage. No question, but in no way, and in no one else's world but yours, was Ruddock having his way. Tyson had won every round, bar maybe one. Even in that round, you'd only give it to him because he did better than other rounds. He still lost the first two minutes clearly though.
Anyway, don't be daft. You don't like him? Great. Lots don't. Don't let it make you look like a complete arse though by ignoring whats very clear in that fight. Bad stoppage yes, but he was easily winning the fight. Maybe Ruddock would have landed one of his smashes and finished it, but up until that point when Steele jumped in early, Tyson had dominated the fight.
|12-18-2012, 12:59 PM||#126|
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Also you stand alone with your opinion on the Ruddock fight(s)...i mean it was competitive but still Tyson won like every round pretty clear...you just see it subjectiv cause you are a Tyson hater and like to jump and talk bad about everything the man has done...its like the Pac haters who say that he clearly lost to Bradley...the same with you and the Ruddock fight...
|12-18-2012, 01:14 PM||#127|
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|12-18-2012, 02:53 PM||#128|
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Apart from the exact spot Tyson should occupy in an ATG list, which is always subjective, there is something else I'd like to comment.
I've read many people comparing what Wladimir K is doing at his age with Tyson at the same age.
Now, and it's the same in most sports, different athletes, with a different approach to the sport, enjoy very different carreers. Let's take football (soccer) as an example.
Paolo Maldini, one of the best defenders of the last 20 years, played till the age of 41. Even though he lost speed and reflexes, he could still rely on his positioning, experience and intelligence.
Ronaldo, one of the most dangerous forwards of modern times, was more or less shot by the age of 30-31. Without his speed he could no longer do the things he used to.
Same goes for Boxing, a conservative fighter like Wlad can still use his reach, his ring IQ and his experience, even though he's probably not prime (physically).
Similarly, JMM could still use his skills and intelligence to defeat Pac when almost 40.
A fighter like Tyson without speed and high work rate is nothing but, as somebody said, a dignified brawler.
I see something very similar happening to Pac if he sticks around for too long.
That doesn't make a category better than the other, is simply a matter of longevity, which in most cases is related to one's style.
Tyson is surely not the GOAT, but I don't find it blasphemous to have him in a top 10. I can also understand why some would rather have him between 10-20 or 15-20, but that his dimension, not the best, but among them.
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