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Old 05-18-2011, 04:14 PM #1
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Default 20 greatest middleweights ATG

1. Harry Greb
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Carlos Monzon
4. Marvin Hagler
5. Marcel Cerdan
6. Dick Tiger
7. Joey Giardello
8. Jake LaMotta
9. Gene Fullmer
10. Nino Benvenuti
11. Tony Zale
12. Stanley Ketchel
13. Emile Griffith
14. Randy Turpin
15. Mike McCallum
16. Sumbu Kalambay
17. Bernard Hopkins
18. Ceferino Garcia
19. Rodrigo Valdez
20. Rocky Graziano

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Old 05-18-2011, 04:22 PM #2
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No Freddie Steele, Eddie Booker, Charley Burley, Fitzsimmons or Langford (depends on which weight you rank him) ?.

Props on making a list though, mostly solid names but I'd change a few around.
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Old 05-18-2011, 04:32 PM #3
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No Freddie Steele, Eddie Booker, Charley Burley, Fitzsimmons or Langford (depends on which weight you rank him) ?.

Props on making a list though, mostly solid names but I'd change a few around.
Thanks. I may make a couple modifications later, only when it comes to placings. Fitzsimmons I reckon made more noise as a lhw and hw and Langford...not sure. He also was more famous as a hw I think.
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Old 05-18-2011, 04:36 PM #4
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1. Harry Greb
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Carlos Monzon
4. Jake LaMotta
5. Joey Giardello
6. Dick Tiger
7. Marcel Cerdan

8. Marvin Hagler
9. Gene Fullmer
10. Nino Benvenuti
11. Emile Griffith
12. Stanley Ketchel
13. Randy Turpin
14. Bernard Hopkins
15. Mike McCallum
16. Sumbu Kalambay
17. Rodrigo Valdez
18. Marcel Thil
19. Ceferino Garcia
20. Carmen Basilio



Rating those four fighters over Hagler is absurd to say the least. I wouldn't rate Robinson at middleweight higher than Hagler either.
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Old 05-18-2011, 04:39 PM #5
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Rating those four fighters over Hagler is absurd to say the least. I wouldn't rate Robinson at middleweight higher than Hagler either.
Fine, make your own list then. I say all those guys could and would beat Hagler.
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Old 05-18-2011, 04:56 PM #6
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01. Ray Robinson
02. Bob Fitzsimmons
03. Sam Langford
04. Marvin Hagler
05. Stanley Ketchel
06. Bernard Hopkins
07. Charley Burley
08. Harry Greb
09. Jake LaMotta
10. Carlos Monzon
11. Tony Zale
12. Panama Joe Gans
13. Marcel Cerdan
14. Les Darcy
15. Mike Gibbons
16. Holman Williams
17. Mickey Walker
18. James Toney
19. Mike McCallum
20. Tommy Burns
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Rating those four fighters over Hagler is absurd to say the least. I wouldn't rate Robinson at middleweight higher than Hagler either.
He has a serious dislike of Hagler.
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Old 05-18-2011, 05:14 PM #8
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He has a serious dislike of Hagler.
I think it's more of a serious love McCallum.

Nice to see the inclusion of Darcy, some say he was better than Stanley Ketchel.
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Old 05-18-2011, 06:12 PM #9
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Its an ok list hagler is a bit low imo and I'm probably biased cause I'm a huge fan of Jones jnr ... and I guess he wasn't champ at the weight for that long .... but I think the middleweight version of Roy beats a hell of a lot of guys on that list.
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Old 05-18-2011, 06:19 PM #10
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Decent list,but too have Hagler outside of the top 5 is simply wrong,but i understand you dont like him
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