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Old 04-21-2011, 07:30 PM #1
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There is a discussion in NSB that suggests Manny Pacqiauo is one of the greatest fighters of all time, which for NSB isn't suprising.

But, as I was reading through the thread, good posters were suggesting Pacqiauo is a Top 25 ATG, even using terminology such as "unquestionable". As the thread continued I noticed Blackirish also felt the same way, that suprised me as BI is an excellent poster in my view.

Is it just me? Because personally, I do not see Manny Pacqiauo as a Top 25 ATG, and I find it very difficult to see an argument for him being ranked that highly.

Does anyone else feel this way? Or is it just me? Do you feel he should be ranked that highly?

*Regular posters in this section only please. 1. Because it has already been discussed amongst NSB posters and 2. Because I'm posters this in here because I'm curious what the History Sections view on this is.
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Old 04-21-2011, 08:04 PM #2
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I dont necessarily believe Pacquiao is a guarenteed top 25 all time.

I just feel that you can make a very strong argument for him being rated above a few people that others regularly include in their top 25 all time p4p.
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shi t!!!!!!!! i just typed out 25 greater imo and lost the effn post.

I don't feel like typing it again!!!

pac is definitely in the top 50 though right now, and he can do some things in his last 3-4 fights to get there.
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shi t!!!!!!!! i just typed out 25 greater imo and lost the effn post.

I don't feel like typing it again!!!

pac is definitely in the top 50 though right now, and he can do some things in his last 3-4 fights to get there.
I wrote out 25 off the top of myhead that I felt are greater than Pac in the Kellerman thread in NSB.

I have him Top 50ish too. He could enhance that in his next few fighters, but the way his last year and a half has been, I don't see it.
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when you get to 25, you're getting to guys like Ike Williams, Gene Fullmer, Willis, Agnott....

tough to give it over guys fighting ATG's multiple times with serious contenders spread all over there resumes. more guys were boxing over other sports, they fought more, they were better tested against their contemporaries.

I don't hold a lot of stock in the "titles in different weight classes" thing. even winning a lineal title nowadays isn't anywhere near the same before as the lineal champs hardly defend their thrones against the best of their divisions nowadays. nor do they hold on to their lineal title for any length of time... they tend to take on one type of fighter, that would make them look good (JMM for example) wheras the great fighters of the past were for the most part fighting everyone that stepped up (sure there were fighters avoided because of race, personal hatred, corruption but nothing like the politics that go on nowadays)
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I really don't like giving exact rankings to guys who are still in their primes (which I think Manny is). He's an ATG for sure but too much can happen still in his career to lock down an exact place on the lists.....let's wait until he slides to past-it status before starting to dicker over where he belongs.

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I wrote out 25 off the top of myhead that I felt are greater than Pac in the Kellerman thread in NSB.

I have him Top 50ish too. He could enhance that in his next few fighters, but the way his last year and a half has been, I don't see it.
me too, these guys are killing me. i was all ready for floyd's "5 fight plan to fight the best" which was a joke and this whole "cold war" bullsh it as a way to make the most money fighting the weakest opponents manny and bob can get away with is really killiong me.

just trying to scoop up some names for their resumes
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I really don't like giving exact rankings to guys who are still in their primes (which I think Manny is). He's an ATG for sure but too much can happen still in his career to lock down an exact place on the lists.....let's wait until he slides to past-it status before starting to dicker over where he belongs.

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I do agree. I don't tend to usually.

But as it's recycled to an irritating level in NSB I had no choice but to dwell on his career as it stands.
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me too, these guys are killing me. i was all ready for floyd's "5 fight plan to fight the best" which was a joke and this whole "cold war" bullsh it as a way to make the most money fighting the weakest opponents manny and bob can get away with is really killiong me.

just trying to scoop up some names for their resumes
Robinson
Greb
Langford
Charles
Armstrong
Moore
Wilde
Monzon
Ali
Louis
Pep
Whitaker
Gans
B.Leonard
R.Leoanrd
Gavilan
Arguello
Fitzsimmons
Griffith
Walker
Jofre
Napoles
Ketchel
Tunney
Mclarnin

That was the first 25 that came to my head that I listed. Who I feel are all greater than Manny Pacqiuao as it stands.

That's without; Duran, Ross, Walcott, and many others.

So yeah, I just can't see it, personally.
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Honestly he'd top 50. He can be pretty damn close to top 25 if he beats Floyd IMO.

I honestly believe he could be top 15 maybe even top 10 if he beat Sergio at 154.
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