Boxing Forum
Navigation
Go Back   Boxing Forum > Boxing Forums > Boxing History

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 04-13-2011, 03:35 AM #1
SCtrojansbaby SCtrojansbaby is offline
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 5,939
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Rep Power: 19
SCtrojansbaby has a reputation beyond reputeSCtrojansbaby has a reputation beyond reputeSCtrojansbaby has a reputation beyond reputeSCtrojansbaby has a reputation beyond reputeSCtrojansbaby has a reputation beyond reputeSCtrojansbaby has a reputation beyond reputeSCtrojansbaby has a reputation beyond reputeSCtrojansbaby has a reputation beyond reputeSCtrojansbaby has a reputation beyond reputeSCtrojansbaby has a reputation beyond reputeSCtrojansbaby has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 30,375,273.85
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 30,375,273.85
No Message - Toney616 Happy New Year - Freedom. Happy Christmas amigo - chav 
Gay and Lesbian Pride - poet682006 Gay and Lesbian Pride - jazluvr 
Default Fact or Fiction: If Mosley doesn't win the to DLH fights

If Mosley doesn't win the to DLH fights he no chance he makes the Hall of Famer.

Assume every part of his career goes exactly the same way except the judges give Oscar both decisions(which could have easily happend).
SCtrojansbaby is offline   Reply With Quote
Advertisements
>>>TO REMOVE THESE ADS, PLEASE REGISTER HERE FOR FREE<<<
Old 04-13-2011, 03:39 AM #2
Jack Napier Jack Napier is offline
Whores on Our Cul de Sac
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Whoreville
Posts: 9,051
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Rep Power: 50
Jack Napier has a reputation beyond reputeJack Napier has a reputation beyond reputeJack Napier has a reputation beyond reputeJack Napier has a reputation beyond reputeJack Napier has a reputation beyond reputeJack Napier has a reputation beyond reputeJack Napier has a reputation beyond reputeJack Napier has a reputation beyond reputeJack Napier has a reputation beyond reputeJack Napier has a reputation beyond reputeJack Napier has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 1,000,027,059.51
Bank: 22,033,758,745,624.10
Total Points: 22,034,758,772,683.61
welcome back pare - -JAWS- good man - Old Coward Cool Poster... - BritishBoxing92 parallelogram - TBear Stay up homie..Them Blue Parellograms is whats in style round these parts man - -FkkMeKJ- 
parollelogram sa inyo!! - Disposable Arts Blue parallelogram para sa iyo! - Chadmack BEER - jhacen parallelogram sa inyo!! - Blooper Have A Blue Parallelogram And &amp;quot;Keep Up&amp;quot; The Good Work LOL - RimmyDelicious 
for you homie - Tha_Greatest cheers! - led Beer pre - led my treat - KING MEAT back sa yo repaks - KING MEAT 
Pacquiao vs Marquez IV! - Check_hooks 
Bone Marrow Donation - Childhood Depression - Depression - Environment - Eye Injury Prevention - Glaucoma - Kidney Cancer - Kidney Disease - Kidney Transplantation - Leukemia - Lyme Disease - Mental Retardation - Missing Children - Organ Donation - T - Jo94403 Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - -Kevin- Anti-Tobacco - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - jazluvr Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - jazluvr Male Breast Cancer - Pregnancy Loss - Infant Loss - Sudden Infant Death - ??? 
Bone Marrow Donation - Childhood Depression - Depression - Environment - Eye Injury Prevention - Glaucoma - Kidney Cancer - Kidney Disease - Kidney Transplantation - Leukemia - Lyme Disease - Mental Retardation - Missing Children - Organ Donation - T - The  Joker Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - LeeVanCleef Aphasia - Asthma/Allergies - Brain Cancer - Brain Tumors - Diabetes - Mental Illness - jazluvr Troop and Military Support - Amber Alert - Bladder Cancer - Endometriosis - Equality - Liver Cancer - Liver Disease - Missing Children - POW/MIA - Spina Bifida - Suicide - jazluvr 
Default

those are his 2 biggest wins
take them away and Shane loses clout
he really lost to Oscar in the rematch anyway
Jack Napier is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2011, 05:45 AM #3
Wild Blue Yonda Wild Blue Yonda is offline
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Age: 68
Posts: 1,102
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Rep Power: 10
Wild Blue Yonda has a reputation beyond reputeWild Blue Yonda has a reputation beyond reputeWild Blue Yonda has a reputation beyond reputeWild Blue Yonda has a reputation beyond reputeWild Blue Yonda has a reputation beyond reputeWild Blue Yonda has a reputation beyond reputeWild Blue Yonda has a reputation beyond reputeWild Blue Yonda has a reputation beyond reputeWild Blue Yonda has a reputation beyond reputeWild Blue Yonda has a reputation beyond reputeWild Blue Yonda has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 1,000,148,340.59
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 1,000,148,340.59
Knowledgeable Poster.! - Barnburner keep up the good work - IronMike* 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Napier View Post
those are his 2 biggest wins
take them away and Shane loses clout
he really lost to Oscar in the rematch anyway
He certainly did.
Wild Blue Yonda is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2011, 07:25 AM #4
bojangles1987 bojangles1987 is offline
bo jungle
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Hudson, Fl
Posts: 45,902
Quoted: 2333 Post(s)
Rep Power: 163
bojangles1987 has a reputation beyond reputebojangles1987 has a reputation beyond reputebojangles1987 has a reputation beyond reputebojangles1987 has a reputation beyond reputebojangles1987 has a reputation beyond reputebojangles1987 has a reputation beyond reputebojangles1987 has a reputation beyond reputebojangles1987 has a reputation beyond reputebojangles1987 has a reputation beyond reputebojangles1987 has a reputation beyond reputebojangles1987 has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 2,277,000,527,092.55
Bank: 15,358,522,058,889,910.00
Total Points: 15,360,799,059,417,000.00
Thought ya could use a drink.. - romebyko For your triangle theory sig - rorymac merry xmas. - Ether Awesome sig... Love me some Breaking Bad. - Burning Phoenix that triangle theories sig haha - Alx. 
it takes courage just to agree to donate an organ to someone :fing02: - jose830 thanks for the update - jose830 Thanks for the video of Bradley-Provodnikov - kennylimon Cotto looked rejuvenated out there - -jose- for an atg poster! - jas 
GO BUCS! - Hi Rudyo! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year - Freedom. 
World Trade Center Victims and Heroes - Fireworks Safety - -jose- Childhood Cancer - jas 
Default

You can't give Oscar the first fight unless you can't score a fight.
bojangles1987 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2011, 09:40 PM #5
IMDAZED IMDAZED is offline
Fair but Firm
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 39,195
Quoted: 2129 Post(s)
Rep Power: 108
IMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 1,000,002,002,065,688,448.00
Bank: 819,142,804,432,992,640.00
Total Points: 1,819,144,806,498,681,600.00
for knowing your stuff! - natas206 thanks for the info. - TRUTH For that homerun of a post, bud. - Sweet Pea 50 An apple for one of BoxingScene's most knowledgeable posters - danc1984 BOOM - Fiend 
Excellent poster - ADDICT MOH. For continously educating NSB. - BattlingNelson been a while mate! - Tamis_Siensya No Message - WESS To a poster I have a lot of respect for. Cheers, bud. - Mike D 
Firm but fair...like it says under his name. World level poster and good dude. - Mike D 
Default

Well at the very least, he did win that first fight convincingly. Can't really take that away from him, which this thread is trying to do. But let's say you take that away, he'd still be on the cusp. You'd still have an established lightweight champ who was ranked among the world's best, moving up and beating the #1 welter (Margarito) at the peak of his career. Throw in some secondary wins and you have a very strong case.
IMDAZED is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2011, 10:23 PM #6
joseph5620 joseph5620 is offline
undisputed
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Calabasas, Calif
Posts: 10,171
Quoted: 1228 Post(s)
Rep Power: 32
joseph5620 has a reputation beyond reputejoseph5620 has a reputation beyond reputejoseph5620 has a reputation beyond reputejoseph5620 has a reputation beyond reputejoseph5620 has a reputation beyond reputejoseph5620 has a reputation beyond reputejoseph5620 has a reputation beyond reputejoseph5620 has a reputation beyond reputejoseph5620 has a reputation beyond reputejoseph5620 has a reputation beyond reputejoseph5620 has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 12,043,005,255,775.83
Bank: 16,873,518,149,189,178.00
Total Points: 16,885,561,154,444,954.00
a knowledgeable poster - Carnivore Great Poster! - Barnburner I would say you have the IQ of a rodent. But that would be an insult to the rodent.. - Unknown Champ quality posts - Stokely cheers mate - The Noose 
loves muhammad's c0ck - Weltschmerz 
Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - JAB5239 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by IMDAZED View Post
Well at the very least, he did win that first fight convincingly. Can't really take that away from him, which this thread is trying to do. But let's say you take that away, he'd still be on the cusp. You'd still have an established lightweight champ who was ranked among the world's best, moving up and beating the #1 welter (Margarito) at the peak of his career. Throw in some secondary wins and you have a very strong case.
Exactly....
joseph5620 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-14-2011, 01:26 AM #7
Wild Blue Yonda Wild Blue Yonda is offline
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Age: 68
Posts: 1,102
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Rep Power: 10
Wild Blue Yonda has a reputation beyond reputeWild Blue Yonda has a reputation beyond reputeWild Blue Yonda has a reputation beyond reputeWild Blue Yonda has a reputation beyond reputeWild Blue Yonda has a reputation beyond reputeWild Blue Yonda has a reputation beyond reputeWild Blue Yonda has a reputation beyond reputeWild Blue Yonda has a reputation beyond reputeWild Blue Yonda has a reputation beyond reputeWild Blue Yonda has a reputation beyond reputeWild Blue Yonda has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 1,000,148,340.59
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 1,000,148,340.59
Knowledgeable Poster.! - Barnburner keep up the good work - IronMike* 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by IMDAZED View Post
Well at the very least, he did win that first fight convincingly. Can't really take that away from him, which this thread is trying to do. But let's say you take that away, he'd still be on the cusp. You'd still have an established lightweight champ who was ranked among the world's best, moving up and beating the #1 welter (Margarito) at the peak of his career. Throw in some secondary wins and you have a very strong case.
Honestly, I disagree. He was never an established Lightweight Champ --- he was an exciting belt-holder at the weight, & he never progressed beyond that point at 135. There was a hypothetical case for him being the best at the weight during his heyday, but that isn't going to get you into the HOF. There's a reason he wasn't that well-known prior to beating De La Hoya in 2000, despite being a 29-year-old pro of seven or eight years' experience. In another thread, we have people questioning Michael Moorer at Light-Heavyweight, because he looked like a beast but fought underwhelming opposition. It ain't much different for Mosley at 135. Looked great, fought less-than-stellar opposition.

He did win the first fight with De La Hoya, no question, & it was a great win over a certain HOFer at the peak of his career (more or less). He was also the first man to legitimately beat De La Hoya, & the only one to do so while De La Hoya was arguably in his pomp.

Still, for his profile within the sport, he's surprisingly thin on the ground with resume. As stated, I do not see any respectable case for his LW days contributing, realistically, to a HOF nomination. After that, between 1999 & now, you have two excellent wins --- De La Hoya (2000) & Margarito (2009). He has admitted to knowingly cheating for at least the return fight with De La Hoya, which he plainly lost as I saw it anyway, but even if you had him nicking it, there's no real way you can count that in his favour, given the BALCO debacle.

The rest of his competition is of a high standard, but it's almost all loss, loss, loss. Forrest twice (convincingly at least once), Cotto, Mayweather (convincingly), mixed in with victories over Mayorga & Vargas, neither of whom were A-level. He did have a resurgent win over Margarito, & credit to him for that.

Really, is he a HOFer? I think he will get in, but I hardly see him as anything approaching a sure bet (on his merits, that is --- I have no doubt name-recognition alone will see him through).

Last edited by Wild Blue Yonda; 04-14-2011 at 01:29 AM.
Wild Blue Yonda is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-14-2011, 09:42 AM #8
IMDAZED IMDAZED is offline
Fair but Firm
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 39,195
Quoted: 2129 Post(s)
Rep Power: 108
IMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 1,000,002,002,065,688,448.00
Bank: 819,142,804,432,992,640.00
Total Points: 1,819,144,806,498,681,600.00
for knowing your stuff! - natas206 thanks for the info. - TRUTH For that homerun of a post, bud. - Sweet Pea 50 An apple for one of BoxingScene's most knowledgeable posters - danc1984 BOOM - Fiend 
Excellent poster - ADDICT MOH. For continously educating NSB. - BattlingNelson been a while mate! - Tamis_Siensya No Message - WESS To a poster I have a lot of respect for. Cheers, bud. - Mike D 
Firm but fair...like it says under his name. World level poster and good dude. - Mike D 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Blue Yonda View Post
Honestly, I disagree. He was never an established Lightweight Champ --- he was an exciting belt-holder at the weight, & he never progressed beyond that point at 135. There was a hypothetical case for him being the best at the weight during his heyday, but that isn't going to get you into the HOF. There's a reason he wasn't that well-known prior to beating De La Hoya in 2000, despite being a 29-year-old pro of seven or eight years' experience. In another thread, we have people questioning Michael Moorer at Light-Heavyweight, because he looked like a beast but fought underwhelming opposition. It ain't much different for Mosley at 135. Looked great, fought less-than-stellar opposition.

He did win the first fight with De La Hoya, no question, & it was a great win over a certain HOFer at the peak of his career (more or less). He was also the first man to legitimately beat De La Hoya, & the only one to do so while De La Hoya was arguably in his pomp.

Still, for his profile within the sport, he's surprisingly thin on the ground with resume. As stated, I do not see any respectable case for his LW days contributing, realistically, to a HOF nomination. After that, between 1999 & now, you have two excellent wins --- De La Hoya (2000) & Margarito (2009). He has admitted to knowingly cheating for at least the return fight with De La Hoya, which he plainly lost as I saw it anyway, but even if you had him nicking it, there's no real way you can count that in his favour, given the BALCO debacle.

The rest of his competition is of a high standard, but it's almost all loss, loss, loss. Forrest twice (convincingly at least once), Cotto, Mayweather (convincingly), mixed in with victories over Mayorga & Vargas, neither of whom were A-level. He did have a resurgent win over Margarito, & credit to him for that.

Really, is he a HOFer? I think he will get in, but I hardly see him as anything approaching a sure bet (on his merits, that is --- I have no doubt name-recognition alone will see him through).
I don't disagree with anything you said. And I still think he'd have a good case without the Oscar win. How many fighters win titles at 135 and 147 who don't have a good case?
IMDAZED is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-14-2011, 09:59 AM #9
RubenSonny RubenSonny is offline
Lagos State of Mind
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 4,862
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Rep Power: 18
RubenSonny has a reputation beyond reputeRubenSonny has a reputation beyond reputeRubenSonny has a reputation beyond reputeRubenSonny has a reputation beyond reputeRubenSonny has a reputation beyond reputeRubenSonny has a reputation beyond reputeRubenSonny has a reputation beyond reputeRubenSonny has a reputation beyond reputeRubenSonny has a reputation beyond reputeRubenSonny has a reputation beyond reputeRubenSonny has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 1,236,055.62
Bank: 384,074,390,697,392.62
Total Points: 384,074,391,933,448.25
Well deserved! Great Poster! - Barnburner 
Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - Barnburner Adoptee - Bone Cancer - Child Exploitation and Abuse - Hope and Support - Peace - Retinoblastoma - Right to Life - Student Sexual Assault - Barnburner 
Default

Though Mosley lightweight resume isn't amazing, I still think its clearly greater than Moorers light heavyweight resume. He fought a few ranked guys, which is something Moorer never did.

Last edited by RubenSonny; 04-14-2011 at 10:03 AM.
RubenSonny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-14-2011, 02:26 PM #10
Wild Blue Yonda Wild Blue Yonda is offline
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Age: 68
Posts: 1,102
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Rep Power: 10
Wild Blue Yonda has a reputation beyond reputeWild Blue Yonda has a reputation beyond reputeWild Blue Yonda has a reputation beyond reputeWild Blue Yonda has a reputation beyond reputeWild Blue Yonda has a reputation beyond reputeWild Blue Yonda has a reputation beyond reputeWild Blue Yonda has a reputation beyond reputeWild Blue Yonda has a reputation beyond reputeWild Blue Yonda has a reputation beyond reputeWild Blue Yonda has a reputation beyond reputeWild Blue Yonda has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 1,000,148,340.59
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 1,000,148,340.59
Knowledgeable Poster.! - Barnburner keep up the good work - IronMike* 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by IMDAZED View Post
I don't disagree with anything you said. And I still think he'd have a good case without the Oscar win. How many fighters win titles at 135 and 147 who don't have a good case?
I cant see it, being honest. He had a paper title at LW where he looked amazing but fought next to nobody. If you did take away that fine first win over De La Hoya, he has nothing beyond a gift in their rematch (while knowingly using PEDs) and a very good win over Margarito on which to base a HOF nomination on. Used-up iterations of Vargas and Mayorga are no match for defeats to all his best competition, especially when you consider three of those were absolute thrashings (Forrest I, Wright I, Mayweather). The only time he even got legitimately near to beating anyone else significant was Cotto (in a very good effort from a past-it Mosley).
Wild Blue Yonda is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Share This With Friends

Tags
doesn't, fact, fiction:, fights, mosley

User Tag List

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
Forum Jump


 

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:50 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.