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Old 03-23-2011, 12:48 PM #1
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Ok, I know this is an extremely prestigious division, but can you make a list of guys you think are the 10 best welters of all time? This is based on their achievements in that division, moreso than who was the p4p best fighter.

1. Armstrong
2. SRR
3. Napoles
4. Griffith
5. Rodriguez
6. De La Hoya
7. Gavilan
8. Leonard
9. Hearns
10. Curry

P.S. Only retired fighters count.

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Old 03-23-2011, 12:57 PM #2
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Ok, I know this is an extremely prestigious division, but can you make a list of guys you think are the 10 best welters of all time? This is based on their achievements in that division, moreso than who was the p4p best fighter.

1. Armstrong
2. SRR
3. Napoles
4. Griffith
5. Rodriguez
6. De La Hoya
7. Gavilan
8. Curry
9. Hearns
10. Leonard

P.S. Only retired fighters count.
I have no idea how you have Curry, Hearns and DLH above Leonard, I'll try and find my list, I posted it awhile back in a different thread.

Edit: and Leonard on par with Trinidad.
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Old 03-23-2011, 12:59 PM #3
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I have no idea how you have Curry, Hearns and DLH above Leonard, I'll try and find my list, I posted it awhile back in a different thread.

Edit: and Leonard on par with Trinidad.
Actually, on second thought youre right. Leonard did beat Benitez and Hearns. His second fight with Duran I dont count a win tho. DLH beats Leonard imo. He also beat more great fighters, oficially or not, at 147. And made more defenses.

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Old 03-23-2011, 01:04 PM #4
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My personal list;

1.Sugar Ray Robinson
2.Henry Armstrong
3.Jose Napoles
4.Emile Griffith
5.Sugar Ray Leonard
6.Kid Gavilian
7.Joe Walcott
8.Tommy Hearns
9.Mickey Walker
10.Ted Kid Lewis

*updated.

It's so difficult to rank this divison.

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Old 03-23-2011, 01:10 PM #5
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My personal list;

1.Sugar Ray Robinson
2.Henry Armstrong
3.Jose Napoles
4.Sugar Ray Leonard
5.Emile Griffith
6.Kid Gavilian
7.Tommy Hearns
8.Joe Walcott
9.Luis Manuel Rodriguez
10.Ted Kid Lewis
No DLH?!?
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Actually, on second thought youre right. Leonard did beat Benitez and Hearns. His second fight with Duran I dont count a win tho. DLH beats Leonard imo. He also beat more great fighters, oficially or not, at 147. And made more defenses.
No he didn't and Whitaker was badly faded against DLH, whats DLH beating Leonard in a H2H gotta do with anything (I completely disagree with that too), quality>quantity and what is your reason for not counting the Duran rematch as a win?
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1. Ray Robinson
2. Joe Walcott
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Ray Leonard
5. Kid Gavilan
6. Emile Griffith
7. Jose Napoles
8. Barney Ross
9. Jimmy Mclarnin
10. Thomas Hearns

Thats mine, I posted it in Surgeons thread some time ago.
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Nope.

De La Hoya is probably somewhere between 11-15 for me. Maybe lower.
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Actually, on second thought youre right. Leonard did beat Benitez and Hearns. His second fight with Duran I dont count a win tho. DLH beats Leonard imo. He also beat more great fighters, oficially or not, at 147. And made more defenses.
How's that then?
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How's that then?
Well, every fool knows he beat Trinidad but was denied the win. He beat Whitaker, Camacho, Chavez, Quartey, Carr and Rivera, prime or not the first 3 are great names. Quartey is a borderline great, Carr and Rivera very good. Trinidad is considered a great.
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