|08-12-2010, 06:11 PM||#1|
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Was Jack Dempsey Over-rated?
Now before we start I am WHITE so don't bring racism into it.
I'm not sure if Jack Demspey is overrated and not a top 10 heavyweight, but he hardly ever if ever fought black heavyweights.
Would make a poll if I knew how to.
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|08-12-2010, 06:19 PM||#2|
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Jack Johnson never fought black heavyweights, it doesn't take away from his accomplishments.
And Dempsey fought quite a few black fighters, actually.
|08-12-2010, 06:23 PM||#3|
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Both of you need to restate - the controversy stems from not fighting black fighters AS CHAMPION, not never fighting them.
|08-12-2010, 06:46 PM||#4|
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i used to admire him and respect him loads. I read a thing about him in boxing news weekly. The article was called black jack and all about his bad side. It also says that Harry Greb wanted to fight Dempsey but Dempsey did not want to. Greb also beat the common opponents between them easier and normally earlier. He also said he wouldn't fight Sam Langford as he know he would get 'licked'. The article really made me think about him more.
ps i am also white so not being biased
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|08-12-2010, 07:09 PM||#7|
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Short Answer: Yes and No. He became an enormous celebrity and took the sport into new heights and that can't be taken away from him. He helped take the word Prizefighting into a new level.
People mentioned the issue about the black fighters-which in fairness he was not the only one who avoided Langford and Harry Wills(although fight signed it didn't take place you decide if it was a duck).
Dempsey's name would be also tarnished by the alleged "loaded gloves" in the Jess Willard fight that resulted in a severe beaten in the larger man. That topic already was discussed by me and others in this forum. It can't be proven either way.
The fact that Gene Tunney would outbox him in the first fight and than do it again, took some swagger from his legacy-even if you think it was a slow count the fact remained he was being outboxed again.
|08-12-2010, 07:46 PM||#8|
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Him and Tyson are the most over-rated fighters in the history of the sport.
They both have an eye-pleasing style, and their best wins were against faded 38 year olds.
Dempsey couldnt beat Tunney, Tyson couldnt beat Holyfield. Over-rated
|09-02-2010, 11:58 AM||#9|
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he is very much overrated,a lot of fighters from the old days did not even know how to box,look at the way they held their hands and when they throw a punch they were wide open,dempsey,has a lot of company as being overrated with tunney and john l sullivan
|09-02-2010, 01:31 PM||#10|
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Pretty sure the HW version of Langford would've fared better than the JMW version that Johnson beat, as would the more experienced versions of Joe Jeanette and Sam McVea. Around 1914, he could've fought Wills as well.
There is no denying Dempsey and Tyson's respective impact on the sport, something that needs to be factored in when determining greatness.
Seeing as how Dempsey is no longer in many people's top 10 ATG HW list, then no, he is not overrated.
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