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Old 09-28-2017, 03:39 AM #1
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Default Do you consider 70s Ali to be a spoiler?

A spoiler, like Hopkins or Ward
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Old 09-29-2017, 03:27 AM #2
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Not really. 70's Ali delivered several classic fights.
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Old 09-29-2017, 05:57 AM #3
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Not really. 70's Ali delivered several classic fights.
His last fight is still 10 times better than Mayweather he fought a future world champ not a first time Novice
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By spoiler do you mean someone that won fights he wasn't supposed to? Then yes.
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Old 09-29-2017, 08:33 AM #5
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he spoiled against kenny norton?
frazier in the first and third fights?
foreman?


ali had several styles in the 70's, mostly a product of his legs never being there for 15 rounds the way they could be in the 60's. yeah, he held, stayed on the ropes, would use his legs for a break when they were there, etc, but he wasn't a negative fighter like hopkins by any stretch.

i think you couldmake the argument that he had more "negative" fights in his prime in the 60's. sometimes he'd just win rounds on the jab and looking at his opponent while he moved left for most of the night. IIRC that's how he fought against zora folley and was even booed. eventually he picked a spot, stopped being negative, and hurt him. beena while since i saw thet fight, or any folley fight, so i could be mistaken. one of his last fights before the layoff. will look into it further if i get a chance today.
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Old 09-29-2017, 09:35 AM #6
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A spoiler, like Hopkins or Ward
Could you define the way you are using the term?
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Old 09-29-2017, 09:38 AM #7
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he spoiled against kenny norton?
frazier in the first and third fights?
foreman?


ali had several styles in the 70's, mostly a product of his legs never being there for 15 rounds the way they could be in the 60's. yeah, he held, stayed on the ropes, would use his legs for a break when they were there, etc, but he wasn't a negative fighter like hopkins by any stretch.

i think you couldmake the argument that he had more "negative" fights in his prime in the 60's. sometimes he'd just win rounds on the jab and looking at his opponent while he moved left for most of the night. IIRC that's how he fought against zora folley and was even booed. eventually he picked a spot, stopped being negative, and hurt him. beena while since i saw thet fight, or any folley fight, so i could be mistaken. one of his last fights before the layoff. will look into it further if i get a chance today.
Ali had a habit of fighting to the level of his competition. Dundee among others found this very disturbing. The Foley fight is a great example of that attitude.
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Old 09-29-2017, 10:03 AM #8
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I remember the "SPOILER " He was a NWA masked wrestler back in the early 80's and was part of a menacing cult group called the Legion Of Doom who also had a tag team "The Road Warriors " ", Animal and Hawk The most devastating team of all time .

I dont think Ali was like the Spoiler !

The Spoiler could literally walk on the top ropes ,he would climb them then jump down on his opposition using the "CLAW " A technique that uses open fingers spread across the face squeezing the temples until they had enough !

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I remember the "SPOILER " He was a NWA masked wrestler back in the early 80's and was part of a menacing cult group called the Legion Of Doom who also had a tag team "The Road Warriors " ", Animal and Hawk The most devastating team of all time .

I dont think Ali was like the Spoiler !

The Spoiler could literally walk on the top ropes ,he would climb them then jump down on his opposition using the "CLAW " A technique that uses open fingers spread across the face squeezing the temples until they had enough !
Yep, and he spent some time in Crockett and World Class promotions as well. Jake Roberts was also in the Legion of Doom at one point, before he was even Jake the Snake and I believe King Kong Bundy was a member as well.
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Yep, and he spent some time in Crockett and World Class promotions as well. Jake Roberts was also in the Legion of Doom at one point, before he was even Jake the Snake and I believe King Kong Bundy was a member as well.
I forgot about Roberts ,dont remember King Kong !
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