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Old 07-13-2010, 12:18 AM #1
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This is not really a thread to flame you, Poet, but I just don't understand how you couldn't put fighters like Joe Louis, Muhammad Ali, Harry Greb, and Archie Moore on your top 20?

This is a list you posted in another thread:

01. Ray Robinson
02. Bob Fitzsimmons
03. Sam Langford
04. Roberto Duran
05. Henry Armstrong
06. Alexis Arguello
07. Benny Leonard
08. Ray Leonard
09. Pernell Whitaker
10. Ezzard Charles
11. Joe Gans
12. Roy Jones
13. Pascual Perez
14. Eder Jofre
15. Miguel Canto
16. Charley Burley
17. Marvin Hagler
18. Jimmy Wilde
19. Willie Pepp
20. Ricardo Lopez
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Old 07-13-2010, 12:30 AM #2
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It's his list he can put down who ever he feels like,doesn't mean it's a good list it's just his thought.

Where's ted the kid lewis ?
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i'm assuming micky ward would be at #21
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Old 07-13-2010, 02:42 AM #4
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is it poets personal Top 20 favorite fighters? or maybe his opinion of the Top 20 greatest fighters which he is entitled to his opinion of... all lists are that persons opinion and they should not be ridiculed if others do not agree with their choice... Poets list above is a very good list and plenty of thought has gone into it, if he leaves out certain fighters i am sure he has his own reasons why he left them out but it is his choice to do so.
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This is not really a thread to flame you, Poet, but I just don't understand how you couldn't put fighters like Joe Louis, Muhammad Ali, Harry Greb, and Archie Moore on your top 20?

This is a list you posted in another thread:

01. Ray Robinson
02. Bob Fitzsimmons
03. Sam Langford
04. Roberto Duran
05. Henry Armstrong
06. Alexis Arguello
07. Benny Leonard
08. Ray Leonard
09. Pernell Whitaker
10. Ezzard Charles
11. Joe Gans
12. Roy Jones
13. Pascual Perez
14. Eder Jofre
15. Miguel Canto
16. Charley Burley
17. Marvin Hagler
18. Jimmy Wilde
19. Willie Pepp
20. Ricardo Lopez
I think everyone's personal p4p list constantly changes with the addition of more knowledge regarding many fighter. Very subjective. That said, mine would include the 4 fighters you mentioned here, but to each his own.
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This is not really a thread to flame you, Poet, but I just don't understand how you couldn't put fighters like Joe Louis, Muhammad Ali, Harry Greb, and Archie Moore on your top 20?

This is a list you posted in another thread:

01. Ray Robinson
02. Bob Fitzsimmons
03. Sam Langford
04. Roberto Duran
05. Henry Armstrong
06. Alexis Arguello
07. Benny Leonard
08. Ray Leonard
09. Pernell Whitaker
10. Ezzard Charles
11. Joe Gans
12. Roy Jones
13. Pascual Perez
14. Eder Jofre
15. Miguel Canto
16. Charley Burley
17. Marvin Hagler
18. Jimmy Wilde
19. Willie Pepp
20. Ricardo Lopez
Interesting list.

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This is not really a thread to flame you, Poet, but I just don't understand how you couldn't put fighters like Joe Louis, Muhammad Ali, Harry Greb, and Archie Moore on your top 20?

This is a list you posted in another thread:

01. Ray Robinson
02. Bob Fitzsimmons
03. Sam Langford
04. Roberto Duran
05. Henry Armstrong
06. Alexis Arguello
07. Benny Leonard
08. Ray Leonard
09. Pernell Whitaker
10. Ezzard Charles
11. Joe Gans
12. Roy Jones
13. Pascual Perez
14. Eder Jofre
15. Miguel Canto
16. Charley Burley
17. Marvin Hagler
18. Jimmy Wilde
19. Willie Pepp
20. Ricardo Lopez
Louis and Ali proved no more P4P ability than Wlad did , and he is far from any
top 50 P4P list of mine also.

lets try my P4P list (first time I try a top 20 P4P , and I did not think a lot
about it as opposed to my SHW list , this one may probably need more corrections) :
1. Sam Langford
2. Mike Tyson
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Joe Walcott
5. Roberto Duran
6. Ray Leonard
7. Chris Byrd
8. Orlin Norris
9. Young Peter Jackson
10. James Toney

11. Ray Robinson
12. Charley Burley
13. Marlon Starling
14. Jose Luis Lopez
15. Ike Quartery
16. Manny Pacquiao
17. Harry Greb
18. Marvin Hagler
19. Hector Camacho
20. Ezzard Charles

21. Archie Moore
22. Rocky Marciano
23. Jorge Fernando Castro
24. Simon Brown
25. David Tua
26. Doug Jones
27. Joe Frazier
28. Muhammad Qawi
29. Salvador Sanchez
30. Michael Spinks


31. Juan Manuel Marquez
32. Evander Holyfield
33. Julio Cesar Chavez
34. Oscar Delahoya
35. Vinny Pazienza
36. Arnold Cream
37. Ronald Wright
38. Shane Mosley
39. Floyd Mayweather
40. Pernell Whitaker

41. Carmen Basilio
42. Vince Phillips
43. Meldrick Taylor
44. Miguel Cotto
45. Ricky Hatton
46. Kotsya Tszyu

Yes , I know there is a number of old timers I forgot to boxrec enough whom may deserve to be in the top 25 , they may be added in the future , as well as possible incorrectness in the internal ordering of this list.
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All kinding aside(regarding previous post) Joe Louis and Ali Belong in the top ten of any all time p4p list.
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IMO ALi and Louis belong in p4p lists. But others may differ.

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Louis and Ali proved no more P4P ability than Wlad did , and he is far from any
top 50 P4P list of mine also.

lets try my P4P list (first time I try a top 20 P4P , and I did not think a lot
about it as opposed to my SHW list , this one may probably need more corrections) :
1. Sam Langford
2. Mike Tyson
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Joe Walcott
5. Roberto Duran
6. Ray Leonard
7. Chris Byrd
8. Orlin Norris
9. Young Peter Jackson
10. James Toney

11. Ray Robinson
12. Charley Burley
13. Marlon Starling
14. Jose Luis Lopez
15. Ike Quartery
16. Manny Pacquiao
17. Harry Greb
18. Marvin Hagler
19. Hector Camacho
20. Ezzard Charles

21. Archie Moore
22. Rocky Marciano
23. Jorge Fernando Castro
24. Simon Brown
25. David Tua
26. Doug Jones
27. Joe Frazier
28. Muhammad Qawi
29. Salvador Sanchez
30. Michael Spinks


31. Juan Manuel Marquez
32. Evander Holyfield
33. Julio Cesar Chavez
34. Oscar Delahoya
35. Vinny Pazienza
36. Arnold Cream
37. Ronald Wright
38. Shane Mosley
39. Floyd Mayweather
40. Pernell Whitaker

41. Carmen Basilio
42. Vince Phillips
43. Meldrick Taylor
44. Miguel Cotto
45. Ricky Hatton
46. Kotsya Tszyu

Yes , I know there is a number of old timers I forgot to boxrec enough whom may deserve to be in the top 25 , they may be added in the future , as well as possible incorrectness in the internal ordering of this list.
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