|04-08-2010, 10:30 PM||#201|
here is some stuff to think about:
2005: pac vs morales I @ 130lbs (pac weighed 139 on fight night)
2006: pac vs morales III @ 130lbs (pac weighed 144 on fight night)
2008: pac vs marquez II @ 130lbs (pac weighed 145 on fight night)
2008: pac vs diaz @ 135lbs (pac weighed 147 on fight night)
2008: pac vs oscar @ 145lbs (pac weighed 148 on fight night)
again, everything is speculation... but at least this guy backs up his claims.
my opinion is pac SHOULD have taken the tests. if the public demanded it, and it was required to make the fight happen then he shouldve taken it.
him refusing only makes him look bad... but until it is proven, its ignorant to use these false claims as actual facts. IMO pacquiao ko's people with his speed and angles... not his power. not once has one of his defeated opponents said he was a devastating puncher, they all said they were overwhelmed and the pressure was too much... clottey was never hurt or intimidated by pac's power... he was gun-shy because he didnt want to get caught with something. cotto was overwhelmed and got caught.... ricky got caught as well (ricky never had a strong chin, collazo wobbled ricky a few times)... and oscar was never hurt by pac, oscar just couldnt deal with the amount of punches being thrown.
|04-08-2010, 11:25 PM||#202|
2005 manny was campaigning as a featherweight:
here were the rankings:
Weight Limit: 126 pounds
Champ: MANNY PACQUIAO
1. JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ
2. INJIN CHI
3. ROCKY JUAREZ
4. SCOTT HARRISON
5. VICTOR POLO
*** which BLACK contender did he duck???
JR. LIGHTWEIGHTS (2005)
Weight Limit: 130 pounds
1. MARCO ANTONIO BARRERA
2. ERIK MORALES
3. JESUS CHAVEZ
4. VICENTE MOSQUERA
5. YODSANAN NANTHACHAI
**** again, for him to move up, where is the BLACK contender he would duck????
in 2006 & 2007 he was transitioning up to lightweight.
who was the BLACK fighter he ducked? the top 5 lightweights were HISPANIC. casamayor, juan diaz, david diaz, santa cruz, julio diaz, & nate campbell.... are you gonna say he ducked campbell?? LOL, please....
in 2008, manny fought at 130 & 135 but didnt stay long.
he fought marquez & david diaz, both were highly ranked.
then he jumped up to fight oscar on december @ 145lbs.
the only notable BLACK fighter he couldve fought was mosley at WW.
shane was ranked #3, cotto #2, margarito #1...
from then, he went on to jr. welter and welterweight...
AND he was the #1 p4p.... so who was he ducking????
paul williams?? shane mosley??? everyone was guilty of ducking them.
bottom line, pac was #1 p4p.... he deserves to call the shots.
either way, he went on to fight cotto & clottey...
seriously, get the f** outta here with that race card bullsh**...
who else had highly orchestrated careers? ROY JONES & FLOYD. LOL
|04-08-2010, 11:33 PM||#203|
|04-08-2010, 11:55 PM||#204|
you act like he is the ONLY fighter that skips tough fights for more lucrative ones... its called matchmaking. its part of the game, but dont try to make pac look like he is the worst offender. LOL.
FLOYD & ROY are notorious for their matchmaking. i am a fan of BOTH.
|04-09-2010, 04:16 AM||#205|
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Here's the truth folks:
Joe Goosen, Legendary Boxing Trainer:
"I just think Pacquiao is a juggernaut right now... and I would just say that maybe that's the reason (Floyd's) throwing up all these smokescreens and roadblocks because he (Floyd) doesn't wanna get in the ring with him (Pac)... (Floyd) should just say yes to the fight, forget all the testing, this guy's (Pac) not on drugs. There's a little air there in all this that's just not right."
Bert Sugar, Boxing Historian and ESPN Analyst:
"A convenient way out for Mayweather"
Al Bernstein, Showtime Boxing Analyst:
“It seems patently obvious to me that Floyd and his minions killed the Pacquiao fight. The bottom line is that the fight was basically a done deal before they decided to inject the demands for blood testing into the picture. Pure and simple, Golden Boy and Floyd and his advisers created the problem, and it ended up killing the fight.”
Dan Rafael from ESPN:
"Mayweather shouldn't be making accusations without a shred of proof as he tries to discredit all of Pacquiao's great accomplishments, nor should he try to circumvent the Nevada rules by asking for blood tests when the commission has never asked for them."
Larry Holmes, Heavyweight Champion:
"I wish I could see Mayweather and Pacquiao fight, but what they're (Floyd's camp) doing right now is hurting boxing because people want to see the fight... They're trying to bring up stuff that is taking away from the fight with drug tests and accusations... I don't get it."
Thomas Hauser, HBO.com:
"There were times during the past month when the conduct of Team Mayweather had the look of an effort to sabotage the fight. A negotiator who wants to make a deal doesn’t go out of his way to antagonize and publicly embarrass the other side. But that’s what the Mayweathers and Golden Boy did."
Jim Strickland, David Diaz's Trainer/retired licensed pharmacist
“I don’t see any reason of accusing Manny of using illegal drugs in our fight.”
Timothy Bradley, WBO/WBC Jr. Welterweight Champion:
"I don't think Manny is on anything. He's just on top of his game right now."
James Toney, Multi division Champion:
"Who is Mayweather to ask for the tests? Why didn’t he ask Marquez? Manny’s not on 'roids."
Mike Silver, noted Boxing Historian:
"I think it fell apart because basically Mayweather never wanted to fight Pacquiao. He wants to continue and fight guys he can beat and fool the public.
Roy Jones, Jr.:
"Hell naw. Why change the rules on me? Because I'm coming up in weight means I'm doing steroids? They're giving you a test for that anyway. It would be something that would aggravate me because then after I beat you, I was on something, don't play with me. Either you want to fight or you don't want to fight."
|04-09-2010, 10:40 AM||#206|
good post. but apparently, opinions of boxing analysts, historians, trainers, and actual boxers arent enough for these accusers... but i guess it really is "guilty until proven innocent".
|04-09-2010, 05:52 PM||#207|
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Lol. I could guarantee that Floyd would come up with some concocted illness or something.
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