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Old 03-25-2010, 10:20 PM #1
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Name some Great/ATG fighters, that could of achived more, but for one reason or another didn't?
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Old 03-26-2010, 01:08 AM #3
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Joe louis - The War
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Old 03-26-2010, 01:14 AM #4
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Les Darcy - Died of Scepticemea
Harry Greb - Similar to Darcy but fought with one eye for most of his career
Sandy Saddler - Career cut short by eye damage received in a car crash
Salvador Sanchez - Car crash
Marcel Cerdan - Plane crash
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Riddick Bowe - Undertrained
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Floyd Mayweather - Underactive
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Old 03-26-2010, 01:35 AM #5
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Old 03-26-2010, 04:30 AM #6
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Ali - lost his best 4 years
Ray Leonard - took too much time out
Joe Louis - WWII
Mike Tyson - if he had stuck with Teddy Atlas
Pretty much any great black fighter competing prior to 1945, particularly at HW (Joe Louis excepted).

I disagree with the person who cited Harry Greb. Greb was in decline at the time of his death. The only thing that would have improved on Greb's career would have been if he'd gotten a shot at Dempsey.
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Old 03-26-2010, 04:50 AM #7
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Ali - lost his best 4 years
Ray Leonard - took too much time out
Joe Louis - WWII
Mike Tyson - if he had stuck with Teddy Atlas

Pretty much any great black fighter competing prior to 1945, particularly at HW (Joe Louis excepted).

I disagree with the person who cited Harry Greb. Greb was in decline at the time of his death. The only thing that would have improved on Greb's career would have been if he'd gotten a shot at Dempsey.
Do you mean Kevin Rooney?

Atlas was Tyson's trainer as a teenage amateur.
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Old 03-26-2010, 05:07 AM #8
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First names that come to mind are Joe Gans, Roberto Duran, Riddick Bowe, Joe Louis, Ali.

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Old 03-26-2010, 07:14 AM #9
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Ali - lost his best 4 years
Ray Leonard - took too much time out
Joe Louis - WWII
Mike Tyson - if he had stuck with Teddy Atlas
Pretty much any great black fighter competing prior to 1945, particularly at HW (Joe Louis excepted).

I disagree with the person who cited Harry Greb. Greb was in decline at the time of his death. The only thing that would have improved on Greb's career would have been if he'd gotten a shot at Dempsey.
I was emphasizing, if he had two good eyes..
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Old 03-26-2010, 07:22 AM #10
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I agree with a lot of the names that have been mentioned. I'd also throw Ricky Hatton in there. He was a great puncher...knocked a lot of people out with body shots.....but his over-reliance on this and consequent failure to learn important fundamentels, coupled with a terrible diet/lifestyle between fights led to an early demise.

He would have lost to Mayweather and Pacquiao (ATG's) whichever way you spin it. But if not for the above he could still be competing at a very high level. He's still only in his early 30's. A shame really.
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