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Old 01-12-2010, 08:11 PM #1
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Default How Would Bernard Hopkins Do Against ATGs In Their Primes? (No Haters/Huggers Please)

In Prime Bernard Hopkins Versus In Prime:

Ray Robinson
Bob Fitzsimmons
Marvin Hagler
Stanley Ketchel
Charley Burley
Harry Greb
Jake LaMotta
Carlos Monzon
Tony Zale
Panama Joe Gans
Marcel Cerdan
Les Darcy
Holman Williams
Mickey Walker
James Toney
Mike McCallum

Your thoughts Gentlemen?

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Old 01-12-2010, 08:17 PM #2
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In Prime Bernard Hopkins Versus In Prime:

Ray Robinson
Bob Fitzsimmons
Marvin Hagler
Stanley Ketchel
Charley Burley
Harry Greb
Jake LaMotta
Carlos Monzon
Tony Zale
Panama Joe Gans
Marcel Cerdan
Les Darcy
Holman Williams
Mickey Walker
James Toney
Mike McCallum

Your thoughts Gentlemen?

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To be honest Poet. I find it hard to do fantasy fights between fighters that were so many years apart.

As alot of things were different in say Fitszimmons era to Hopkins's era. So I find it hard to invision what the fight would look like and play out like, as they fought in totally different era's of boxing and rules.
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Old 01-12-2010, 08:24 PM #3
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To be honest Poet. I find it hard to do fantasy fights between fighters that were so many years apart.

As alot of things were different in say Fitszimmons era to Hopkins's era. So I find it hard to invision what the fight would look like and play out like, as they fought in totally different era's of boxing and rules.
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If you think a fighter is too far out of era to make a comparison just pass on the matchup.

My conception with these is to take an active fighter that gets a lot of print on Boxing Scene and get the good posters here (ie. not haters or huggers) to put their thoughts in on how they stack up. It's just seems to me that it's been getting a bit dry around here for Boxing History's heavy hitters what with the all the trolls and people with agendas taking over every thread.

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Old 01-12-2010, 08:37 PM #4
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If you think a fighter is too far out of era to make a comparison just pass on the matchup.

My conception with these is to take an active fighter that gets a lot of print on Boxing Scene and get the good posters here (ie. not haters or huggers) to put their thoughts in on how they stack up. It's just seems to me that it's been getting a bit dry around here for Boxing History's heavy hitters what with the all the trolls and people with agendas taking over every thread.

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Yeah, I agree threads like these make the History section a much better place. One match up that I really like here is Hopkins vs McCallum.

Two of the soundest techincal fighters of all time. I edge towards Hopkins taking a decision, but I imagine it's a close affair, with both men having success.......
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Yeah, I agree threads like these make the History section a much better place. One match up that I really like here is Hopkins vs McCallum.

Two of the soundest techincal fighters of all time. I edge towards Hopkins taking a decision, but I imagine it's a close affair, with both men having success.......
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Hopkins Vs. McCallum is VERY intriguing: A few years shift in age on the part of one or the other and it could very well have actually occured. Can you imagine the display of skills?
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He beats them all easily, no-one can touch a prime BHOP on his best day.

some of them would do well, but he's just better than all of those guys.
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He beats everyone on points apart from

Carlos Monzon
Harry Greb
Ray Robinson
Marvin Hagler
Roy Jones
Charley Burley

who I believe would all outpoint him..

50/50 matches (to be decided on points)

LaMotta
Zale
Fullmer
Darcy
Walker
Fitzsimmons

Only fight that may not go the distance would be against Ketchell, but Stanley would be lucky to catch Hopkins flush, so i'll go for Hopkins UD..

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He beats them all easily, no-one can touch a prime BHOP on his best day.

some of them would do well, but he's just better than all of those guys.
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Hopkins Vs. McCallum is VERY intriguing: A few years shift in age on the part of one or the other and it could very well have actually occured. Can you imagine the display of skills?
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Yep agreed there mate. I just like coming on and having a serious and enjoyable discussion about the history of boxing, discussing and debating the past ATG's.

And enjoy reading posts from the intellegent posters on here.
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In Prime Bernard Hopkins Versus In Prime:

Ray Robinson
Bob Fitzsimmons
Marvin Hagler
Stanley Ketchel
Charley Burley
Harry Greb
Jake LaMotta
Carlos Monzon
Tony Zale
Panama Joe Gans
Marcel Cerdan
Les Darcy
Holman Williams
Mickey Walker
James Toney
Mike McCallum

Your thoughts Gentlemen?

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On his best day, I can see Bernard beating every single one of those guys.
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