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Old 09-11-2009, 11:36 AM #1
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Ok, I know he had a fantastic defense. But you gotta have more than just that and a few tricks to be worthy of the title ATG. I just don't see how he qualifies for that title. He lost to DLH and Trinidad, two best WWs of the 90's. And I know he lost clearly, everybody that says anything else is talking BS!

I think he is overated. He didn't beat that many great fighters. Who did he beat? Roger Mayweather, who imo was not a great fighter, just very good. And he floored Whitaker once in that fight and made it close. JC Chavez...I dunno, I haven't seen that fight really but I know its considered a controversial draw. Judging by the comments made on the DLH fight I am sceptical about the controversy.

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Old 09-11-2009, 12:13 PM #2
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Whitaker fought a lot of top 10 guys during his time, unified a division, was considered one of the pound for pound best for years and didn't have a legitimate loss until he started slipping and was high on coke.

I would also suggest more of his fights to see why he isn't just a HOFer but an ATG.
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Old 09-11-2009, 12:15 PM #3
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Ok, I know he had a fantastic defense. But you gotta have more than just that and a few tricks to be worthy of the title ATG. I just don't see how he qualifies for that title. He lost to DLH and Trinidad, two best WWs of the 90's. And I know he lost clearly, everybody that says anything else is talking BS!

I think he is overated. He didn't beat that many great fighters. Who did he beat? Roger Mayweather, who imo was not a great fighter, just very good. And he floored Whitaker once in that fight and made it close. JC Chavez...I dunno, I haven't seen that fight really but I know its considered a controversial draw. Judging by the comments made on the DLH fight I am sceptical about the controversy.
Educate yourself, please.
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Educate yourself, please.
I suppose you should do that to me? Prick.
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Whitaker fought a lot of top 10 guys during his time, unified a division, was considered one of the pound for pound best for years and didn't have a legitimate loss until he started slipping and was high on coke.

I would also suggest more of his fights to see why he isn't just a HOFer but an ATG.
He's only considered ATG in America. But its the same, since its Americans who make the ATGs. Furthermore, he was a dirty fighter who was threw a lot of low blows and kept shoving DLH.
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Old 09-11-2009, 12:24 PM #6
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Wow,where do you get this?

Whitaker is a top 15-20 ATG IMO.

He was p4p no 1 for a long time,first undisputed champ at lightweight since Duran,won titles at 140,147 and 154.
He beat extremely good fighters in Chavez,Nelson and had plenty of other very good wins,Ramirez(where he was robbed in one fight),Haugen,McGirt(twice),Vasquez,Rivera(twice), Paez,ec.

You gotta take into account most his wins were dominant shoutout wins against top competition while he was going up in weight and had little KO power,that combined with his style of not running made him awesome.
Why even bring up de la Hoya and Trinidad?He was past his prime with Oscar and still arguably beat him and he was really done by Triinidad and still went the distance.
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You said that Roger Mayweather's K.D of Whitaker made it close? I can clearly see you didn't watch that fight, wasn't even a close fight. That was a dominating performance by Whitaker, the K.D didn't do anything. Then you admitted to not seeing Whitaker vs JCC, no debate, that was a clear victory against JCC, one of the greatest Jr WWs of all time. Aren't you the same dude who tried to convince us DLH clearly beat Whitaker, in that same thread, so many people thought otherwise. To answer your question, he beat...

1. Azumah Nelson
2. JLR
3. JCC
4. JCV
5. Greg Haugen
6. Buddy McGirt
7. Hurtado
8. Paez
9. (In My Opinion) DLH

In the DLH fight, commentators were already talking about Whitaker's slippage. Yet there's a problem with losing to one of the greatest WWs in Felix Trinidad 2 years after that? Not trying to go hard on you, but don't call overrated what you know nothing about.

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He's only considered ATG in America. But its the same, since its Americans who make the ATGs. Furthermore, he was a dirty fighter who was threw a lot of low blows and kept shoving DLH.
The only way to make you change your mind is for you to look at more of his fights. You seem to have only watched the fights he had when he was over the hill and high on coke. And dirty fighter? No, he knew how to get rough in the trenches and low blows are bound to happen when a guy goes to the body with regularity like Whitaker did.
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Never seen a better display of body punching then what Pernell Whitaker showed. I mean really, his body attack made me cringe. He wasn't a devastating puncher ofcourse but those shots took their tole on anyone. Dude had JCC gasping for air. When I'm talking about his display of body punching, I'm talking "Placement".

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You need to watch earlier fights. You seem to be basing your opinion on his later fights where he was on coke and past prime.
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