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Old 08-31-2009, 05:48 PM #1
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I have 10 pound dumbbells and am wondering if I use them in my workouts will my speed decrease? Some have said that it can actually increase but I did a routine in which it made my speed slower. Here it was:

3 x 20 Bicep Curls
3 x 20 Chest Flyes
3 x 20 (Don't know what it's called but it's a shoulder exercise. Basically like flyes except I start from the bottom and bring them outwards of the shoulders.)

Do you know of any exercises to increase speed? Or will using weights altogether make my speed slower?

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Old 08-31-2009, 05:55 PM #2
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10 pounds won't slow you down, just stretch well before and after. if you do feel your speed ebbing just stop lifting.
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Old 08-31-2009, 06:15 PM #3
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Old 09-01-2009, 05:30 AM #4
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Don't do curls, they slow you down. Do pullups. If people doubt this then ask joe frazier
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What is all this nonsense!! Lad weights are not good for young fighters, in the noble art one needs to be limber and fresh, not hulked up and slow. Touch those damned weights at your own peril. You will skyrocket in weight, why one young fighter i knew boxed at 140 lbs, he then decided to do some weights to increase strength
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. He gained 80 lbs in a fortnight and his career was over. Crying shame really.

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Old 09-01-2009, 07:18 AM #6
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Seriously, what surprises me about this forum is all the different opinions on weights and boxing, how should you lift and what not. IMHO, go for it dude, do it for a month or two and you'll probably see a difference, take it from there.
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Old 09-01-2009, 11:48 PM #7
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What surprises me about boxers is how little they know about exercise, nutrition, and even basic physiology. I mean, as a class of athlete. Not just on this forum, but even at my gym.

This is the 21st Century. Every serious athlete in every sport in the world weight trains, stretches, and watches their diet. Except boxers. There is so much information readily available, and so many affordable training and nutrition alternatives, that there is NO EXCUSE -- none -- to be asking questions like,

"Is weightlifting bad?"
"Is protein good for me?"
"Should I stretch?"
etc.

You don't have to get a personal trainer certification (I'm an NSCA CPT), but I swear to you, I PROMISE you, if you learn even the most basic, fundamental facts about training and nutrition and APPLY WHAT YOU LEARN, you will walk right over the top of boxers who still train like it's 1930. I know, because I do it. As a fighter, I PRAY for an opponent who doesn't lift weights, who doesn't stretch, who doesn't balance his diet, who's never even measured his VO2 max, and who doesn't cycle his carbs and hydrate so that he's in peak physical condition the MOMENT the fight starts. And yes, I f----ing do all of this and more, and it makes all the difference in the world in the ring.

Please, God, keep sending me opponents who only eat meat, salad, and Gatorade. Please keep sending me opponents who overtrain but "work through the pain," who think drinking water between rounds is a sign of weakness, and who won't touch weights because they believe it'll make them slow. Keep them in good supply, that my record shall forever be favorable. Amen.

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Old 09-02-2009, 12:57 AM #8
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What surprises me about boxers is how little they know about exercise, nutrition, and even basic physiology. I mean, as a class of athlete. Not just on this forum, but even at my gym.

This is the 21st Century. Every serious athlete in every sport in the world weight trains, stretches, and watches their diet. Except boxers. There is so much information readily available, and so many affordable training and nutrition alternatives, that there is NO EXCUSE -- none -- to be asking questions like,

"Is weightlifting bad?"
"Is protein good for me?"
"Should I stretch?"
etc.

You don't have to get a personal trainer certification (I'm an NSCA CPT), but I swear to you, I PROMISE you, if you learn even the most basic, fundamental facts about training and nutrition and APPLY WHAT YOU LEARN, you will walk right over the top of boxers who still train like it's 1930. I know, because I do it. As a fighter, I PRAY for an opponent who doesn't lift weights, who doesn't stretch, who doesn't balance his diet, who's never even measured his VO2 max, and who doesn't cycle his carbs and hydrate so that he's in peak physical condition the MOMENT the fight starts. And yes, I f----ing do all of this and more, and it makes all the difference in the world in the ring.

Please, God, keep sending me opponents who only eat meat, salad, and Gatorade. Please keep sending me opponents who overtrain but "work through the pain," who think drinking water between rounds is a sign of weakness, and who won't touch weights because they believe it'll make them slow. Keep them in good supply, that my record shall forever be favorable. Amen.
I agree with most of your post, Fraidy. However, there will always be fighters out there that will overtrain, that won't drink water between rounds, that won't touch weights, and that will nevertheless beat you. Just as you are stating what you feel should be done given the time period and research that has been performed on sports physiology, there are boxers out there that simply have preferences, and train differently. I, for one, do not use weights. I have given them a try and I feel that strictly bodyweight training is better for my body and boxing conditioning. Is it possible that you will hand my ass to me in the ring if we meet up because of your training techniques? Sure. Is it possible that I will do the same to you? Absolutely.

I don't agree with people that bash others for their training methods when they haven't given it a shot, but stubbornly forcing your training philosophies onto others is also bull****. If this is the complete opposite of what you're trying to accomplish, then forget what I just said. The fact of the matter is that you often come across this way on this forum.
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Old 09-02-2009, 01:41 AM #9
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I don't agree with people that bash others for their training methods when they haven't given it a shot, but stubbornly forcing your training philosophies onto others is also bull****. If this is the complete opposite of what you're trying to accomplish, then forget what I just said. The fact of the matter is that you often come across this way on this forum.
I don't bash anybody's methods, or try not to, anyway. Do what works for you. What I have increasingly little patience for, though, is athletes who ignore -- or refuse to believe -- the tons and tons of information that is readily available. It makes no sense to me.

I could care less if you use weights or not, but if you claim that weights make you slow, I'm going to correct you. If you claim that protein isn't good for you, or that carbs are bad, or that too much stretching makes your muscles flabby, or that eating one meal a day is the best way to lose weight, or that digging your fingers into a cramping muscle pops the bubbles and makes the cramp go away -- I've read all of these claims on this forum, BTW -- I'm going to call bull****. There are a great number of people on this board who are misinformed about training and nutrition, and who are perpetuating that misinformation. You're not one of them.

Granted, this is the Internet. I am becoming more and more convinced that very few people on this "Training and Nutrition" forum actually box.
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I don't bash anybody's methods, or try not to, anyway. Do what works for you. What I have increasingly little patience for, though, is athletes who ignore -- or refuse to believe -- the tons and tons of information that is readily available. It makes no sense to me.

I could care less if you use weights or not, but if you claim that weights make you slow, I'm going to correct you. If you claim that protein isn't good for you, or that carbs are bad, or that too much stretching makes your muscles flabby, or that eating one meal a day is the best way to lose weight, or that digging your fingers into a cramping muscle pops the bubbles and makes the cramp go away -- I've read all of these claims on this forum, BTW -- I'm going to call bull****. There are a great number of people on this board who are misinformed about training and nutrition, and who are perpetuating that misinformation. You're not one of them.

Granted, this is the Internet. I am becoming more and more convinced that very few people on this "Training and Nutrition" forum actually box.
Thats true...And i doubt many of the ones that do are any good.
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