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Old 06-10-2004, 10:55 AM #1
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What are the differences between these? I have so many opportunities to use them, but i haven't been taught them yet in class. I'd like to know what the differences are so i make sence more when describing them in training.
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Old 06-10-2004, 11:15 AM #2
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I thought they were all the same
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Old 06-10-2004, 11:34 AM #3
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i thought that too, but then i asked myself...why 4 names for the same technique?
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Old 06-10-2004, 02:10 PM #4
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A kimura is a figure 4 going the opposite direction (Sakuraba on Royler). A key lock, Americana, and figure 4 are the same thing.
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Old 06-10-2004, 02:19 PM #5
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Kimura:
http://www.bjj.org/techniques/aranha/kimura/

Americana, sometimes called figure 4, armlock, shoulder lock, or Keyock
http://www.bjj.org/techniques/aranha/valetudo/
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Old 06-10-2004, 04:36 PM #6
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awesome, thanks for the info and links Beelzebub
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Old 06-13-2004, 01:02 AM #7
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yeah, bub's right. they are all the same thing but different ways of performing it. i normally have been taught that the figure 4 was just the easiest way to describe the actual move. i never really called the figure 4 a move, but more like a description of a move.
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Old 06-25-2004, 01:36 PM #8
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I always call it a keylock when I'm on the ground but wqhen I'm standing I always call it a kimura for some reason.
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an americana/keylock is then the elbow is pointing down and you have to bring the elbow near the rib for the lock to work. the kimura is when you have to bring the elbow far from the body
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Originally Posted by Mr. Beelzebub
A kimura is a figure 4 going the opposite direction (Sakuraba on Royler). A key lock, Americana, and figure 4 are the same thing.
I always considered em all the same. So kimura goes the opposite direction. Learn something new every day.
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