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Old 08-06-2017, 06:34 AM #1
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I hate this miniature window that comes up for me to write in and will not be enlarged. How do I cure it? Is there a way?

Okay, those little up and down tabs in the upper right. But I like to make the frame wider too. Wait, it worked. Anyway...

Let's get down to business.

There are few if any categories in boxing where one can easily choose a greatest. Offhand, I can think of only one--CHIN. I am willing to say George Chuvalo had the greatest chin ever in boxing, and leave it at that. Everything else is a discussion, really.

For stamina, I know Marciano was up there, but I cannot automatically concede first place to him, because there were so many others that could fight all day, especially in the lower weights.

For sheer speed of the traveling mitt, I believe Howard Davis was perhaps the fastest fighter I ever saw.

In the lefhook category, I would probably go with Robinson.

For the bob and weave, I would choose the early Tyson over Pacquiao, because Tyson could attack simultaneously with his movements. Early Pacquiao bobbed and weaved wonderfully, but had to suddenly stop to attack. Tyson was more fluid and continuous at his best.

Ring generalship must go to either Ali or Leonard, over Monzon and Mayweather and many others, because they faced a higher level of competition. Their ring generalship actually extended beyond the ring to the audience and judges. Only those two at the highest level seemed to not only out-think their opponents, but the entire world while they were doing it. Mayweather has demonstrated some of this mesmerizing ability as well, but he has never faced anything approaching a Hagler or a Liston while doing it. That is the difference.

Footwork I probably give to Jersey Joe. Nobody was that cute when he wanted to be. Old Joe might even win in the feinting category, as well, which would be something special to have two categorical crowns.

Ezzard Charles was all around good, but I cannot think of a categorical crown that he wins. No big deal. It does not reflect poorly on a fighter's greatness. There are only so many categories to go around, and theoretically every fighter but one is a loser in each category.

That is only a few of the categories.
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Old 08-06-2017, 06:57 AM #2
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What about best ring outfit?
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Old 08-06-2017, 11:10 AM #3
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Chin - this is a really tough one, Ali, Marciano, Chuvalo, Froch, Eubank Sr all come to mind. I'll probably go with Ali but its up for debate.

Handspeed - Ali. The fact that a man who was 6'3'' and 220-230lb could throw as fast as that is lamost unbelievable.

Footwork - Not necessarily the quickest but someone who understood the need to get in and out of raneg in an effective manners was Robinson. The Sugar Man could do it all and within a moment switch from offense to defence.

Power - This is a really difficult one. So many fighters with great power across divisions, means we have to thin of them along the p4p sense and yet, no one hits harder than a heavyweight and the hardest hitting ever on flm seems to be the prime FOREMAN.

Ring IQ/Generalship - Ali. No explanation needed.
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Jake LaMotta, Marvin Hagler, and Ray Mercer should all be in the running for the best chin category..
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Old 08-06-2017, 03:03 PM #5
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Conditioning: Marciano

Reason: Marciano v Walcott, in round 13 he moved like it was round 1 and in the post interview inside the ring he was breathing normally like he didn't just do 13 gruelling rounds and he didn't coast either, he was after Jersey the entire fight, literally every second and that was back when there were no specialist conditioning coaches and nutritionists.....he was beyond human
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Old 08-06-2017, 03:31 PM #6
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Chin: Jake LaMotta

Handspeed: Roy Jones Jr?

Footwork: Overall footwork probably Sugar ray Robinson or Willie pep

Power: P4P Julian Jackson.

Conditioning: Henry Armstrong

Ring IQ/generalship: Mayweather

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Chin: Marvin Hagler

Handspeed: Roy Jones Jr

Footwork: Ray Leonard

Power: Ray Robinson

Conditioning: Marciano

Ring IQ/Generalship: Willie Pep
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Old 08-08-2017, 05:05 PM #8
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Pernell Whitaker gets high marks in the categories of ring generalship and footwork. Not saying he was the absolute best ever but he does deserve consideration. Wayne McCullough had a chin of cast iron but it's rare to hear his name mentioned in the 'greatest chin' discussions.
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Old 08-08-2017, 10:59 PM #9
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How about best defense? You could have Pernell in there too or perhaps Niccolino Locche.
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How about best defense? You could have Pernell in there too or perhaps Niccolino Locche.
Pep and Mayweather also gets the nod here
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