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  • #41
    Deontay Wilder is an absolute bellend. I still remember that "parade" when about 10 people turned up to watch him bring home his paper belt.

    Tyson Fury is the undisputed HW champion of the world, anyone who claims otherwise is a spastic.

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    • #42
      Originally posted by techliam View Post
      Theres very few people who recognise the WBC as the most 'prestigious'

      Namely, a few mexicans, you and the WBC.


      The champion makes the belt. Therefore the the WBC belt at HW reflects a top 5 contender at HW. Welcome to the modern day sport of boxing.
      lol what a stupid post regardless of the conversation.

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      • #43
        Originally posted by saint laurent
        But there is clearly a dispute. The WBC did not agree that Wladimir was the champion. For years, they said Vitali was the champion (who would have been favored against Wladimir btw).

        You don't get to invent your own definition of what "undisputed champion" means.

        Until the recognized organizations agree, there is a dispute.

        Welcome to boxing.
        When does a definition become meaningless? The WBC can say what they want, but they don't get to hold an entire sport's fanbase to ransom by refusing to accept what was blindingly obvious for years. Wlad was the clear recognised number one. Every boxing fan knew it, every boxing journalist, historian and analyst knew it, every fighter knew it (even if they didn't want to accept it). The fact that the WBC didn't recognise him was irrelevant. The fact that they don't recognise Fury as clear number 1 is also irrelevant. In fact the WBC as a whole is irrelevant until they get in line with boxing mainstream. They're tired and delusional old men in a bubble with a power complex and they deserve to be treated to the same respect that every meaningless thing is given.

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        • #44
          Originally posted by denium View Post
          Deontay Wilder is an absolute bellend. I still remember that "parade" when about 10 people turned up to watch him bring home his paper belt.

          Tyson Fury is the undisputed HW champion of the world, anyone who claims otherwise is a spastic.
          Beyonce is a useless hooker strangling glas jawed disgrace. I hope Fury stalls the fight for ages and Wilder gets whipped by Dustin "the Worm" Nichols in a stay busy fight.

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          • #45
            We have a world level fighter in most divisions other than crusier and light-heavyweight though Cleverley is fringe world level but can't really win a world title.

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            • #46
              Originally posted by saint laurent
              Techliam -

              If there are very few people who recognize the WBC as the most prestigious and lucrative championship in boxing, how do you explain the biggest fights and purses throughout boxing history being for the WBC title far more often than any other?

              If it's only a few Mexicans that consider the WBC belt the most important of the four, how do you explain Mike Tyson spending $5 million for a step aside fee just to remain WBC champion for one more fight?

              How do you explain over $12 million being bid for Klitschko-Rahman?

              How do you explain Lennox Lewis throwing his other belts in the garbage, but keeping his WBC belt?

              How do you explain Floyd Mayweather devoting his entire career to the WBC, ensuring the WBC belt was being fought for in the most lucrative fights in history?

              How do you explain GGG, who already had a recognized title, wanting to fight for the WBC's interim championship? And Cotto being willing to spend $925,000 just to remain WBC champion for a couple more weeks?

              How do you explain Corrie Sanders throwing the WBO heavyweight title in the garbage to fight for the *vacant* WBC title?

              I'm not saying the WBC is head and shoulders above the others, but facts are facts. A WBC champion, on average, is going to make more money than the champion of another organization. The WBC has done the best job of marketing their "green belt" and has done the best job of trying to make sure they are involved in the biggest fights.
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              Sorry pal, but you said it yourself with 'historically'. Maybe they were, that's your opinion. But the WBC certainly isn't the most prestigious now. If fighters were vacating other titles left and right to fight for the WBC, you may be right. But they aren't. They are all equal in base value - you can call yourself a 'world champion', but their worth is only an extention of the fighter who holds it... which covers nearly all of your examples.

              Lets look at them:

              Mike Tyson paying step aside - why did Mike vacate the WBC to face the WBA champion in Holyfield? Do you think it was perhaps due to him reluctant to face Lewis, opting instead for a bigger payday with Holyfield? Or was the WBC too prestigious for Mike to handle at the time? As long as Mike fought for a title, he didn't seem to care. The WBA/WBC proved to be equally corrupt and easy to manipulate, so it didn't matter.

              The bid for Klitschko-Rahman doesn't show how prestigious the WBC is. Youll need to explain that one because that makes no sense whatsoever. The bid for Klitschko-Povetkin was well over 20 million and the WBC wasn't involved..

              Lewis was paid to drop the other belts. Other promoters didn't see the WBC as prestigious and opted for his other titles, ones which he won after his WBC belt. He kept the IBO title too, so is that prestigious?

              Floyd has had a cosy relationship with the WBC for a long time. When was the last time Floyd was forced into a WBC mandatory? Btw, Pacquiao had the WBO belt in a lot of lucrative fights, what does that mean?

              Team GGG have stated they want to unify the division. Or if you don't believe that, they are after a payday against Cotto/now Canelo. Im pretty sure K2 don't sit down and think damn, we need the most important WBC title, these others aren't as prestigious..

              The WBO was barely recognised when Corrie Sanders held it. Maybe thats why... if he held the title now, do you think he'd have done it?

              Correlation does not imply causation. You'll find the WBC have a very cosy relationship with many high earning boxers, bending the rules to their advantage. This is why fighers like Floyd opt for WBC titles, as they don't have to put up with mandatories and other measures (like same day weigh ins) as the IBF may enforce. This in itself does not make it a more prestigious title.

              Btw, the WBC isn't there to recognise the champion of the world. It's there to recognise a world champion within the WBC. The WBC recognising Wilder as it's own champion does not equal a dispute as to who the World Heavyweight Champion is. There is literally no dispute there

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              • #47
                Originally posted by shinobi108 View Post
                The undisputed heavyweight champion of the world is currently a Brit.
                There are soo many major British world champions and high ranking contenders in every division that they seem to be taking over the entire sport, with momentum!

                British boxing is flying possibly the highest its ever flown in its history. There are many many fighters in Britain that can sell out a 20,000 seat arena with ease, the sport is literally flying at the minute.
                The Brits are lit right about now. Can't even front.

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                • #48
                  Fury is the real Lineal Champion, His name already up on the cyber lineal paper

                  http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/pastchp.htm

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by Fury4daWIN View Post
                    Yes there has. His name was Wlad.
                    Neither Wlad or Vitali were EVER the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world.

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by techliam View Post
                      If you want to argue over definitions of a concept, sure

                      Tyson Fury isnt the Undisputed Champion (notice the capital letter)

                      But he is the undisputed World Heavyweight Champion

                      Theres no dispute as to who the champion is
                      That's subjective, but if he want's to be The Undisputed Heavyweight Champion of the world, he has to go get that belt from Wilder.

                      If you want to be subjective then there's no stopping anyone from calling themselves the undisputed World Heavyweight Champion. John Mcdermott could be calling himself that title for all we know but until someone wins all the belts and makes it official, then it still remains disputed.

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