Lyoto Machida vs. Rampage Jackson

[venom1]

i respect your opinion, i guess we will just have to agree to disagree. i personally think they were both rather impressive performances and think that unless andesron silva moves up rashad has the best chance out of all the 205lbers to beat shogun. im looking forward to see it too.

it is very possible rampage was suffering from ring rust, i think with his style he couldnt beat rashad anyways but still. i guess we will see how he does against machida, which ironicly is what the thread is actually about to begin with

lol

i agree with your opinion though i ain't disagreeing 100% i agree he did enough for the w which is what the game is about right.

Yeah i also think he is the main threat aswell as Spider Silvia, but Shogun has some legit 100% ground game, in fact if you ask me ground is his priority rather than stand up because in pride most his fights i saw him taking the guys to the ground and pounding them like a bulldozer

[PopoFreitas]

If Rampage hits him its lights out

yeh because Machida have a weak chin...

Maybe if it lands on lyoto's temple then it would happen.

Anyway, Rampage wont hit him. Machida is too fast for him and Machida will come back to his cautious style.

Machida will fight outside rampage's range landing Low Kicks at will and forcing Rampage to try to close the distance and once he moves in he'll get countered with Lyoto's traditional anticipation strike, mainly his Gyaku.

Since Rampage have a solid jaw he'll lose by decision. But I can see Lyoto winning by tko if he destroys rampage's legs. Then he can finish the fight with a gnp...

[KESSLER]

I hope Rampage knocks him out, but Lyoto is a good fighter man.. Don't let his loss to Shogun fool you.

[kymira]

Lyoto by Decision or late stoppage. Page is too flat footed for Lyoto, he'll get picked apart all night long.

[Sine]

Stylistaclly a bad match up for Page. I would think Page would be better suited to someone who would wanted to go toe-to-toe. (EG Chuck, Wandy).

Machida is too fast, leaping in and out with 'pot shots' and chopping Pages leg's with a barrage of kicks. Page's footwork is stagnant at best and after getting his leg's destoyed by machida he will be taking baby steps all night.

I would think Page's best chance is to take a shot - to give a shot, take a leg kick or punch and give back a trademark left hook or overhand right with interest. Or grab a hold of Machida, get him to the ground and pound the s**t out of him that negates Machida's speed.

If i put money down Machida via UD in a clear but caution first approach. Although my heart will be for Page to KO Machida and revive a fledgling fight career.

[phallus]

Stylistaclly a bad match up for Page. I would think Page would be better suited to someone who would wanted to go toe-to-toe. (EG Chuck, Wandy).

Machida is too fast, leaping in and out with 'pot shots' and chopping Pages leg's with a barrage of kicks. Page's footwork is stagnant at best and after getting his leg's destoyed by machida he will be taking baby steps all night.

I would think Page's best chance is to take a shot - to give a shot, take a leg kick or punch and give back a trademark left hook or overhand right with interest. Or grab a hold of Machida, get him to the ground and pound the s**t out of him that negates Machida's speed.

If i put money down Machida via UD in a clear but caution first approach. Although my heart will be for Page to KO Machida and revive a fledgling fight career.

rampage is too slow and one dimensional, standing in front of machida and shoulder rolling is exactly what he wants. probably the dragon by UD but if page comes in out of shape he gets stopped by a kick

[Rudyo]

I like Rampage's chance here because Lyoto has terrible boxing defense because he because he always leaves his hands down and his chin up in the air. Thank God for that leg movement or he'd be knock the **** out every fight. he also just randomly charges in for a few seconds and I think he'll be vulnerable for a counter hook. if he hits it Rampage wins. If he can't then he better get him against the fence and slam him or something because if not he'll lose by decision.

Pretty intriguing fight. Very epic.

Pretty much the same way I see the fight. I think either Rampage will pressure and catch Machida rushing in for a counter or he'll lose a decision by eating hundreds of Machida legs kicks.

I'd give the edge to Machida, I think he's still the #2 LHW for now. People are under-rating him a bit now because of how overblown the hype got. I remember people saying Shogun would not have a chance against him in the first and second fight which was ******ed (I supported Shogun in both of those fights all along, just bragging () but now some people are going overboard and saying his style won't work anymore.

[PopoFreitas]

Pretty much the same way I see the fight. I think either Rampage will pressure and catch Machida rushing in for a counter or he'll lose a decision by eating hundreds of Machida legs kicks.

Machida wont rush anything.

He needed to be aggressive against Shogun because he couldn't stay in his usual distance otherwise he would get his legs and ribs destroyed again by shogun's kicks and Shogun have the best/most powerful leg kicks in the LHW division.

Now against Rampage not only he wont have to worry about eating kicks anymore but actually his opponent main weakness is his Leg Kicks defense... Rampage probably have the worst leg kicks in his division, offensively and defensively. Also, his boxing stance makes it even easier to shop his legs and I'm 100% sure that it will be Machida's main strategy in that fight and once Rampage realizes he can't fight on Machida's range he'll rush in and will eat straights all night long...

Machida wins 30-27, 30-27, 30-27.


PS: Machida is not a boxer, he's a karateca. His brother was the 2nd best in the world in Shotokan before he retired. He does this since he learned to walk... Boxing isn't the yan and the yang of striking martial arts, just saying. If you judge Por Pramuk using a boxing perspective you'll probably have the same conclusion about his skills... but in reality he would destroy any boxer in a striking match 9/10 and I hope you don't try to debate this. Just saying.

[Rudyo]

Machida wont rush anything.

Now against Rampage not only he wont have to worry about eating kicks anymore but actually his opponent main weakness is his Leg Kicks defense... Rampage probably have the worst leg kicks in his division, offensively and defensively. Also, his boxing stance makes it even easier to shop his legs and I'm 100% sure that it will be Machida's main strategy in that fight and once Rampage realizes he can't fight on Machida's range he'll rush in and will eat straights all night long...

Machida wins 30-27, 30-27, 30-27.


PS: Machida is not a boxer, he's a karateca. His brother was the 2nd best in the world in Shotokan before he retired. He does this since he learned to walk... Boxing isn't the yan and the yang of striking martial arts, just saying. If you judge Por Pramuk using a boxing perspective you'll probably have the same conclusion about his skills... but in reality he would destroy any boxer in a striking match 9/10 and I hope you don't try to debate this. Just saying.

I think Machida will probably use a more conservative game plan like your saying but he sometimes does rush in or counter and leave his head straight in the air with his hands down and if Rampage can catch him during one of these sequences he has the power to lay him out. It's usually a bad idea to underestimate Rampage because he has a history of coming back when he's seemingly on the slide. The sense of invincibility about Machida is gone forever now, we'll see how people game plan for him now.

So I'm basically just giving him a good punchers chance. It all depends on both of their mindsets imo, if Machida can learn from the Shogun losses (he lost both of them mentally regardless of the decision) and stay true to his style he has the advantage but there is a possibility that he becomes even more cautious or maybe even more aggressive now that he has tasted defeated and that is a wild card that Rampage could exploit. Rampage has to be focused and in shape to do so though.

I still got Machida by either tko leg stoppage or decision.

I'm not getting anywhere near the debate of what style wins, they never end. It depends on the individuals skill and experience in their style and numerous other factors, no style is perfect.

[PopoFreitas]

I think Machida will probably use a more conservative game plan like your saying but he sometimes does rush in or counter and leave his head straight in the air with his hands down and if Rampage can catch him during one of these sequences he has the power to lay him out. It's usually a bad idea to underestimate Rampage because he has a history of coming back when he's seemingly on the slide. The sense of invincibility about Machida is gone forever now, we'll see how people game plan for him now.

I'm not getting anywhere near the debate of what style wins, they never end. It depends on the individuals skill and experience in their style and numerous other factors, no style is perfect.

Saying his striking defense is bad because he fights in a different stance / distance and while in his usual distance he leaves his chin up and boxers don't do that is just stupid. He isn't a boxer and as I said boxing isn't the Yin and Yang of martial arts. They're specialists but just because someone doesn't do in a MMA match what a boxer usually does in a Boxing match it doesn't mean his defense is bad. Its just unusual for your eyes.

Machida knows what he's doing and nobody came even close to doing any damage to him in his previous fights (except Sam Grecco). The Machida that fought Shogun in the 2nd time isn't the usual Machida; he doesn't fight like that at all and he was forced to fight that way because Shogun would rape him again if Machida stayed in his usual range. I think that the ones (not you) that are judging him by that fight, which was an exception, aren't too bright...

Anyway, shogun is the only guy in the LHW division that can match Lyoto's speed.

Oh and I wasn't talking about styles vs. styles, I talked about fighters. Using a boxing perspective to judge other martial artists could make you say that Por Parmuk isn't that good while in fact he would beat any hands-only fighter in a full striking match 9/10 and I don't think anyone can dispute this.