Harder puncher, Wlad or Wilder?

[Jubei]

Wilder hasnt even faced a champion or former champion yet, he only fought inhouse guys yet and no top level fighters with a proven chin.

[FinitoxDinamita]

Different type of punchers so i wont say who hits harder.

Wilder is a snappy puncher like Tyson while Wlad is more heavy handed like Foreman. Wlad has thudding power..

[Mr Objecitivity]

What are you even saying? Duhaupas was visibly hurt and the ref was looking for a chance to stop the fight because of the beating he was taking. If the fight kept going Duhaupas would get knocked out anyway. And it has been already explained that in the povetkin fight he didn't train at all, in fact he ate a lot of punches because he wasn't ready to fight and kept going till the the 6th

Wilder couldn't even drop Duhaupas after 11 rounds of landing a career high number of flush punches. So what makes you think Wilder was going to KO Duhaupas in the last 1 and a half round when he couldn't even drop him, despite landing multiple maximum powered punches for 11 rounds?

Being 'visibly hurt' isn't a good enough reason for a fight to be stopped. Wilder was also visibly hurt too. This is what Duhaupas did to Wilder's eyes:



Furthermore, Wilder was hurt even worse against Ortiz than Duhaupas was against Wilder when that fight was stopped. So should Wilder have been stopped in the 7th round against Ortiz?

A fight should only be stopped if a fighter is standing and taking flush punches without being able to defend himself. That wasn't the case with Duhaupas as he was still able to roll and block some of Wilder's incoming punches.

Whilst Wilder was barely even defending himself when Ortiz was hitting him in the 7th round.

Duhaupas wasn't in peak condition against Wilder either. He was injured when he fought Wilder. He also took the fight against Wilder in short notice too. He was barely even able to use his right hand but he was still able to jab Wilder's face off at times with just his left and badly damaged his face as proven by the picture I've posted. That fight was dead even at the time of the stoppage.

Meanwhile, against Povetkin, Duhaupas was hopeless. Couldn't win a single round. Got hit at will by Povetkin. Could barely land a glove on Povetkin and was put to sleep in the 6th.

Therefore, Povetkin's performance and power against Duhaupas > Wilder's performance and power against Duhaupas.

[Mr Objecitivity]

duhaupas was fat, not in shape and took the fight on a days notice.

Duhaupas lost every 10 seconds of every round against Povetkin. Was barely able to land a glove on Povetkin. Povetkin was landing punches almost at will on Duhaupas. And put Duhaupas to sleep in the 6th.

Based on how lopsided that fight was, I don't think any version of Duhaupas would've done much, if at all better against that Povetkin. Chances are, it would be the same outcome with a knockout most likely occurring.

I've seen plenty of boxers who were in poor condition against an opponent but still managed to put up a decent account of themselves before being beaten. Even Povetkin himself was in poor physical condition for some of his fights but he still managed to find a way to win, after grinding it out in tough fights. Mariusz Wach was not only in horrible condition against Jarrell Miller, but he was also injured. Yet, Wach put up a much better fight against Miller than Duhaupas did against Povetkin. And Miller looked worse against a worse conditioned Wach than Povetkin did against Duhaupas.

The reality is, Duhaupas was always going to be a back up opponent if the fight against Bermane Stiverne fell through and both teams knew that from the start. So Povetkin also took the fight at short notice, just like how Duhaupas did. Works both ways! And both were training for a different opponent too.

In any case, none of those things would've mattered much. Styles make fights and it was because of Duhaupas's style as to why Wilder had so much difficulties and problems against him, where the fight was close to dead even at the time of the premature stoppage, if not Duhaupas being ahead.

Povetkin also has a similar style to Duhaupas. Difference is, Povetkin is better than Duhaupas in every single department. Especially when it comes to punching skills and power. Which is why Povetkin would've done much worse to Wilder than what Duhaupas did and would most likely have knocked him out in similar fashion.

The Duhaupas from the Wilder fight would most likely have been knocked out by Povetkin the same way. Whilst the Duhaupas from the Povetkin fight would've given Wilder the same problems.

Johan Duhaupas was Deontay Wilder's Wladimir Klitschko like life and death opponent. Anthony Joshua went life and death against a 41 year old Wladimir Klitschko coming from a 2 year lay off. Whilst Wilder goes life and death in similar fashion against a much inferior Johan Duhaupas. It's because Wilder really isn't that good!

[TheReadyTimeBoy]

Wlad's right hand is like a long, veiny but not so girthy c.ock penetrating your a.sshole with perfect technique and plenty of lube, nice and slowly but firm enough to cause a few tears.

Wilder's right hand is like a BBC in prison, going in raw with zero lube except maybe a little spit. Pain and blood are guaranteed.

[Vinnykin]

Wilder put's a lot more into his punches, Klitschko obviously has more thudding power, while Wilder is faster and gets guys coming onto him.

Klitschko's jab was way more powerful, anything with his left is basically, the right is about even, different type of power with Klitschko doing much less to generate equal power.

I think Klitschko would score higher on a punching machine lol he's the bigger puncher overall.

[NearHypnos]

Wilder put's a lot more into his punches, Klitschko obviously has more thudding power, while Wilder is faster and gets guys coming onto him.

Klitschko's jab was way more powerful, anything with his left is basically, the right is about even, different type of power with Klitschko doing much less to generate equal power.

I think Klitschko would score higher on a punching machine lol he's the bigger puncher overall.

Agreed. Klitchko could throw a short, compact, fundemental left hook and ruin a guy. He doesn’t have to launch his body. Wilder is indeed a big puncher. A huge puncher. But he’s throwing everything on it. Klitchko was so technically sound that any punch in his arsenal could have that timing and dynamite in it without having to launch his feet or body. Look at the left hook vs Pulev. It looks effortless. It looks like he lightly reaches in and gives him the touch of death.

Wilder is explosive as hell but his “regular” punches don’t seem to have the same kind of hurt to them like others that have come before him.

Tyson used to get that crazy leverage but he also had supreme mastery of a freakish body. His feet/coordination with the rest of his body were extraordinary especially considering the speed at which he could move his feet. He’s a bad comparison to Wilder.


I think it would be more appropriate to say Wilder is more explosive but Wlad is the harder puncher.

Wlad had lance like limbs it was ******ed and like many of us said, you’ll call his era weak but as soon as he’s gone it’ll somehow be “poppin”.

There’s a reason he ruled with impunity for whats basically a decade. He allowed NO ONE to be considered his equal for a long time. You couldn’t with a straight face say such and such were being ducked because he’d just dominate anyone put infront of him.

You coulda been anyone and the argument ended with “He can’t best Wladimir though...”

Give the man his just due. Who cares if he isn’t American? You know you’re dominant when you essentially shut down an entire division in the States and people start saying boxing in the hw division is dead.




Back on topic... both exceptional punchers. Amazing Wilder can throw so hard (and accurately at times) despite his crazy looking flaws. Dude has lightning in that right hand.


Still...imagine having Wlad infront of you with that jab and what can come behind it in the shape of a perfect right hand or turning the jab into a hook? It wasnt fair for a bit.

[Vinnykin]

Agreed. Klitchko could throw a short, compact, fundemental left hook and ruin a guy. He doesn’t have to launch his body. Wilder is indeed a big puncher. A huge puncher. But he’s throwing everything on it. Klitchko was so technically sound that any punch in his arsenal could have that timing and dynamite in it without having to launch his feet or body. Look at the left hook vs Pulev. It looks effortless. It looks like he lightly reaches in and gives him the touch of death.

Wilder is explosive as hell but his “regular” punches don’t seem to have the same kind of hurt to them like others that have come before him.

Tyson used to get that crazy leverage but he also had supreme mastery of a freakish body. His feet/coordination with the rest of his body were extraordinary especially considering the speed at which he could move his feet. He’s a bad comparison to Wilder.


I think it would be more appropriate to say Wilder is more explosive but Wlad is the harder puncher.

Wlad had lance like limbs it was ******ed and like many of us said, you’ll call his era weak but as soon as he’s gone it’ll somehow be “poppin”.

There’s a reason he ruled with impunity for whats basically a decade. He allowed NO ONE to be considered his equal for a long time. You couldn’t with a straight face say such and such were being ducked because he’d just dominate anyone put infront of him.

You coulda been anyone and the argument ended with “He can’t best Wladimir though...”

Give the man his just due. Who cares if he isn’t American? You know you’re dominant when you essentially shut down an entire division in the States and people start saying boxing in the hw division is dead.




Back on topic... both exceptional punchers. Amazing Wilder can throw so hard (and accurately at times) despite his crazy looking flaws. Dude has lightning in that right hand.


Still...imagine having Wlad infront of you with that jab and what can come behind it in the shape of a perfect right hand or turning the jab into a hook? It wasnt fair for a bit.

Glad someone managed to understand what I was saying.

It's different styles and physical builds. Klitschko has the upper hand on every punch by a big margin bar the straight right, but there isn't much difference in that punch IMO.

Klitschko is much bigger and much more powerful than Wilder... he's the bigger puncher overall and not reliant on one punch.

[Just looking]

Wilder couldn't even drop Duhaupas after 11 rounds of landing a career high number of flush punches. So what makes you think Wilder was going to KO Duhaupas in the last 1 and a half round when he couldn't even drop him, despite landing multiple maximum powered punches for 11 rounds?

Being 'visibly hurt' isn't a good enough reason for a fight to be stopped. Wilder was also visibly hurt too. This is what Duhaupas did to Wilder's eyes:



Furthermore, Wilder was hurt even worse against Ortiz than Duhaupas was against Wilder when that fight was stopped. So should Wilder have been stopped in the 7th round against Ortiz?

A fight should only be stopped if a fighter is standing and taking flush punches without being able to defend himself. That wasn't the case with Duhaupas as he was still able to roll and block some of Wilder's incoming punches.

Whilst Wilder was barely even defending himself when Ortiz was hitting him in the 7th round.

Duhaupas wasn't in peak condition against Wilder either. He was injured when he fought Wilder. He also took the fight against Wilder in short notice too. He was barely even able to use his right hand but he was still able to jab Wilder's face off at times with just his left and badly damaged his face as proven by the picture I've posted. That fight was dead even at the time of the stoppage.

Meanwhile, against Povetkin, Duhaupas was hopeless. Couldn't win a single round. Got hit at will by Povetkin. Could barely land a glove on Povetkin and was put to sleep in the 6th.

Therefore, Povetkin's performance and power against Duhaupas > Wilder's performance and power against Duhaupas.

KKKKK, I don't even have to try, shame to you. Didn't even watch the fight, did you? Duhaupas was gone, 1 minute would be enough. Ah, the problem on Wilder face was a single punch highlighted on the transmission that out of the swelling didn't damage Wilder