Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Joshua-Wilder, GGG-Canelo, Usyk-Gassiev

[aboutfkntime]

Says to send him an email, address is at the bottom of the article. Hes previously said he doesnt read the forum comments, after someone mentioned Mexican Puppet ranting at him in the forum replies, lol.

I don't understand that

that is like me refusing to eat food that I endorse

or refusing to wear a sponsors watch

you identify/ignore the idiots, who are everywhere

[aboutfkntime]

I once thought Golovkin would be a shoo-in for the HoF but now I really don't think so unless he obliterates Canelo then stays at that level for some more big fights. Edging past Jacobs and a debatable draw with Canola ain't HoF material. I don't see GGG beating McClellan, Jones Jr, Toney, even Benn and maybe not McCallum, as Mike was definitely better than Danny Jacobs, imo. To be fair to Golovkin, he's in a weak middleweight era. Fantasy match up: GGG vs The Hawk.

marv......

when Golovkin was running around knocking out tomato-cans..... clowns were comparing him to Hopkins/Hagler lol

forget Hopkins/Hagler..... I am not convinced that the limited Golovkin could have beaten ANY of those killers you mentioned

dudes need to slow down their roll lol

[SteveM]

How? Boxing is physical effort no? You are in your physical prime between say, 23 and 33 years old. Very few sportsmen are able to compete at a top level past 35 including boxing.
Golovkin's issue was a, he was over hyped, b, he started too late c, he has fought in a weak mw era and d, he was avoided by Sturm and Martinez

[aboutfkntime]

How? Boxing is physical effort no? You are in your physical prime between say, 23 and 33 years old. Very few sportsmen are able to compete at a top level past 35 including boxing.
Golovkin's issue was a, he was over hyped, b, he started too late c, he has fought in a weak mw era and d, he was avoided by Sturm and Martinez

two words..... Bernard, Hopkins

and it does not matter that Hopkins is the exception

he (and others) have already proven that boxing prime is not related to age

some guys did not start fighting until they were 20..... some guys had no amateur career whatsoever..... some guys turned pro when they were 15..... some guys are just freaks

there is no template for that..... and nor should there be

there is some truth in what you say, but there are PLENTY of examples to the contrary..... way too many examples to ignore, and way too many examples to start throwing around a definitive age limit defining where fighters slump

it is hilarious to me that Golovkin's " slide " started at the exact same time that he stepped up in competition

just like Pacquiao's " slide " started when he finally stopped feasting on sub-par in-house guys and started to fight guys like Marquez Bradley Mayweather

some opponents can make you look good, others can make you look old..... and I know exactly why Golovkin has avoided mover/spoilers for the last 6 years

[TripleJ]

two words..... Bernard, Hopkins

and it does not matter that Hopkins is the exception

he (and others) have already proven that boxing prime is not related to age

some guys did not start fighting until they were 20..... some guys had no amateur career whatsoever..... some guys turned pro when they were 15..... some guys are just freaks

there is no template for that..... and nor should there be

there is some truth in what you say, but there are PLENTY of examples to the contrary..... way too many examples to ignore, and way too many examples to start throwing around a definitive age limit defining where fighters slump

it is hilarious to me that Golovkin's " slide " started at the exact same time that he stepped up in competition

just like Pacquiao's " slide " started when he finally stopped feasting on sub-par in-house guys and started to fight guys like Marquez Bradley Mayweather

some opponents can make you look good, others can make you look old..... and I know exactly why Golovkin has avoided mover/spoilers for the last 6 years

Why make the rules based on the exceptions? I don't know what your reputation is like in this town, but I got two words for you in this situation. Majority. Rules.

Why are you giving examples of young fighters starting at 15 or 20 when debating the point of when age dictates a slump? Where's the fighters who had great careers after they got their start at 33?

The Pacquaio example is ridiculous, he had a huge string of great wins after Marquez.

[MASTERBX]

lil g is HBO's failed attempt at a eastern european takeover of American boxing!

[aboutfkntime]

Why make the rules based on the exceptions? I don't know what your reputation is like in this town, but I got two words for you in this situation. Majority. Rules.

Why are you giving examples of young fighters starting at 15 or 20 when debating the point of when age dictates a slump? Where's the fighters who had great careers after they got their start at 33?

The Pacquaio example is ridiculous, he had a huge string of great wins after Marquez.

it is not about making rules, especially if those rules do not accommodate EVERYONE

you probably have no idea why Hopkins was so successful over 40, and why some fighters look shot at 28..... and often that can be difficult to define..... but it is impossible to define that by age because there is a huge difference between 28 and 48

and when you mentioned Marquez, you KNEW I was talking about KTFO6

Marquez was MUCH better than the mid-level Top Rank jww's that Pac had been kicking around

[SteveM]

it is not about making rules, especially if those rules do not accommodate EVERYONE

you probably have no idea why Hopkins was so successful over 40, and why some fighters look shot at 28..... and often that can be difficult to define..... but it is impossible to define that by age because there is a huge difference between 28 and 48

and when you mentioned Marquez, you KNEW I was talking about KTFO6

Marquez was MUCH better than the mid-level Top Rank jww's that Pac had been kicking around

Many rules are for the majority but not everyone. For those rules there are always exceptions. Boxers look shot because they have taken too much career punishment or their training regime is so far from what they need that it has a direct and obvious impact on their in-ring performance leading to more punishment and losses.

You have good points regards Golovkin. I for one never suggested he was as good as Hagler - he had to prove it and he hasn't and he couldn't. But as per the original post you have to look at the intricacies.

You can say whatever you like and you do - fair enough - but you have an axe to grind and you imo you weaken your point by being overly negative and stretching to make points.

Pointing out exceptions to people being in their prime such as Bhop is ludicrous. It's just willfully ignoring the evidence all around you to justify your assertion that Golovkin is mediocre. In your own mind you might feel that it is helpful but if you are trying to convince the majority of other posters then forget it.

Boxing like many sports is part physical and part experience. When your physicality starts to wane then experience and wilyness can, to some extent, start to compensate.

Breadman nailed it as to why Bhop was a champion in his forties. But this is undoubtedly the exception. I can't mail down when a man's physical prime is but I can guarantee you that for most men it is not at 35 years old!

As for Pac struggling against JMM and Mayweather - you have to realise two things. In JMM he was fighting against a guaranteed HOF and in Mayweather he fought against an ATG. No shame. The second thing is look where he started at weight-wise.

So Golovkin is no ATG like Hagler. But he should be a lock HOF and he is not yet. Why? Because he started late and he he doesn't have the scalps on his resume that he should have had (Sturm and Martinez) because he was avoided [ Froch:- "..swerve him like the plague"].

[Marvlus Marv]

good post ! 100% agree !

same with my boy Wilder, who still has some mountains to climb

You gotta call it even when you're a fan of the subject matter. Same with Mikey Garcia - great looking fighter who's fought almost no live dogs yet. Only when the big ??? have been well and truly answered then the HoF gates open up.

[Marvlus Marv]

marv......

when Golovkin was running around knocking out tomato-cans..... clowns were comparing him to Hopkins/Hagler lol

forget Hopkins/Hagler..... I am not convinced that the limited Golovkin could have beaten ANY of those killers you mentioned

dudes need to slow down their roll lol

I regularly watch old middleweight fights for fun and those 80s and 90s guys were so far beyond GGG's peers it's frightening. His hands are way slower and I feel certain Jones Jr, McClellan etc would KILL Macklin, Lemieux, Ishida etc in less time it took 3G. It's the difference between the B and C class opponents of Golovkin and true elite killers of two decase ago. If he dispatches Canelo in wow! style then his HoF prospects are back on. Seems fair to me.