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Old 10-18-2019, 06:06 PM #11
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i may be wrong but I think this is going to play like usyk vs gassiev
I disagree, Beterbiev is alot more then just a heavy puncher, hes not a brawler, more like technical a mauler

Sunzshock from BadLeftHook.com explained this matchup best imo, this is what he wrote:

"Iíve always been a bit of a skeptic when it comes to Gvozdyk. I think heís a good fighter, but a long way from special the way his compatriots Loma and Usyk are. I think his #1 status in the division is a bit of an illusion. Gvozdykís a B+ fighter, maybe A- on a really good day. Meanwhile, I knew precious little about Beterbiev, so I spent some time this week watching as much footage as I could.

After watching the 2nd amateur fight vs Usyk, I thought wow, Beterbiev is giving Usyk all he can handle, and if it were scored by pro standards, Beterbiev has a case for winning that fight. At this point, I took a half-sized feeler bet on Beterbiev at +115.

Then I watched the 1st amateur fight vs Usyk, and that fight was a dominant win for Beterbiev by pro standards. He hurt Usyk with a big headshot in the 2nd round, and got a knockdown on a bodyshot in the 3rd round. On top of that, at a different time, Beterbiev managed to become an amateur world champion despite having a fighting style that is absolutely terrible for the amateurs. At this point I was getting excited and placed another half-size bet at +100. Then a few minutes later I took another full-size bet at +100.

I think Beterbievís skill level is getting underrated because heís not a points fighter. But the more I watch him fight, the more I realize he knows exactly what he wants to accomplish in there. In another amateur fight against Michael Hunter, he took some jabs and 1-2s to the face in the 1st round, but that was the end of Hunterís success. Beterbiev probably edged round 2, and round 3 was an ugly stalemate. Point being nobody has had sustained success with jabs against Beterbiev even with a huge reach advantage because he knows very well how to take the jab away. That is a very important skill for a pressure fighter! Beterbiev is NOT Gassiev. Heís not going to plod forward getting lit up by jabs.

Also, once he gets into the pocket, which will happen after you are scared to jab and therefore cannot control the distance, heís forcing you into either shelling up or exchanging with him. And Beterbiev has the kind of power that will bust right through a guard. So you exchange, and if youíre a tough mofo with an excellent left hook like Callum Johnson, maybe you land a magical shot that lands past Beterbievís defensively responsible right hand and nails him right on the chin. That shot is a big part of the reason Beterbiev is underrated coming into this fight. But Gvozdyk doesnít have a killer left hook, his best punch is his straight right. I mean, maybe Gvozdyk lands a nice short counter in between one of Beterbievís punches, as heís a good fighter and it could happen, but I see Beterbiev with a substantial advantage in exchanges, with better power, better chin, and more comfort in the pocket.

Going back to Gvozdyk, quite a few of you boxeo heads have noted that he can be hit, and he has defensive lapses. I think itís worth noting that he has these lapses against a lot of different guys in multiple rounds. I mean Mehdi Amar landed a bunch of clean right hands against him. Chilemba had at least one dominant round and a couple decent rounds against him. Same Chilemba that got washed by Bivol. And Chilemba didnít get KOed, he injured his hand. Karpency scored a knockdown. Stevenson landed one that wasnít scored.

And speaking of Stevenson, it took Gvozdyk a very long time to figure out a painfully one-dimensional old Stevenson. I mean, sure, itís a hell of a one-dimension. Long, fast, accurate, and powerful straight laser left hand. But Stevenson had nothing else to offer. He landed 2 right hands the whole fight, one jab and one hook, neither worth mentioning aside from that they were not lefts. And in spite of this, Gvozdyk did very little. He was waiting and waiting and doing close to nothing, and therefore down on the cards going into the 11th, despite Stevenson not doing a whole lot either. Gvozdyk is not Loma. He is not Usyk. He is not processing information the way they do. I say Beterbievís got the better boxing IQ, and I donít think itís all that close.

I added another half-size yesterday at +110. I was thinking of going even heavier, but then I watched the Kalajdzic fight and maybe Beterbiev is slowing down a bit with age. Heís still on the right side of 35 though, and I see him as at least a 60/40 favorite, maybe as high as 70/30 if age is not catching up to him. Iíve got 2.5 units total on Beterbiev."
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Let's do it. Gvozdyk is trying to cement his place among Ukraine's 2012 Olympic golden generation. He only won bronze in the Olympics, but the gold has come in the pro game. I'm rooting for him to add more gold tonight.
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Hello everyone. There is no better way to spend a friday night. I just hate that There is always a UFC card on at the same time for boxing matches. UFC 244 is the same night as Kovalev/Alvarez. How am I gonna look at both simultaneously on the ps4?
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Old 10-18-2019, 08:35 PM #16
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Gvozdyk wins imo. He'll make it look easy. The guy is smooth. AB is stiff
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I disagree, Beterbiev is alot more then just a heavy puncher, hes not a brawler, more like technical a mauler

Sunzshock from BadLeftHook.com explained this matchup best imo, this is what he wrote:

"Iíve always been a bit of a skeptic when it comes to Gvozdyk. I think heís a good fighter, but a long way from special the way his compatriots Loma and Usyk are. I think his #1 status in the division is a bit of an illusion. Gvozdykís a B+ fighter, maybe A- on a really good day. Meanwhile, I knew precious little about Beterbiev, so I spent some time this week watching as much footage as I could.

After watching the 2nd amateur fight vs Usyk, I thought wow, Beterbiev is giving Usyk all he can handle, and if it were scored by pro standards, Beterbiev has a case for winning that fight. At this point, I took a half-sized feeler bet on Beterbiev at +115.

Then I watched the 1st amateur fight vs Usyk, and that fight was a dominant win for Beterbiev by pro standards. He hurt Usyk with a big headshot in the 2nd round, and got a knockdown on a bodyshot in the 3rd round. On top of that, at a different time, Beterbiev managed to become an amateur world champion despite having a fighting style that is absolutely terrible for the amateurs. At this point I was getting excited and placed another half-size bet at +100. Then a few minutes later I took another full-size bet at +100.

I think Beterbievís skill level is getting underrated because heís not a points fighter. But the more I watch him fight, the more I realize he knows exactly what he wants to accomplish in there. In another amateur fight against Michael Hunter, he took some jabs and 1-2s to the face in the 1st round, but that was the end of Hunterís success. Beterbiev probably edged round 2, and round 3 was an ugly stalemate. Point being nobody has had sustained success with jabs against Beterbiev even with a huge reach advantage because he knows very well how to take the jab away. That is a very important skill for a pressure fighter! Beterbiev is NOT Gassiev. Heís not going to plod forward getting lit up by jabs.

Also, once he gets into the pocket, which will happen after you are scared to jab and therefore cannot control the distance, heís forcing you into either shelling up or exchanging with him. And Beterbiev has the kind of power that will bust right through a guard. So you exchange, and if youíre a tough mofo with an excellent left hook like Callum Johnson, maybe you land a magical shot that lands past Beterbievís defensively responsible right hand and nails him right on the chin. That shot is a big part of the reason Beterbiev is underrated coming into this fight. But Gvozdyk doesnít have a killer left hook, his best punch is his straight right. I mean, maybe Gvozdyk lands a nice short counter in between one of Beterbievís punches, as heís a good fighter and it could happen, but I see Beterbiev with a substantial advantage in exchanges, with better power, better chin, and more comfort in the pocket.

Going back to Gvozdyk, quite a few of you boxeo heads have noted that he can be hit, and he has defensive lapses. I think itís worth noting that he has these lapses against a lot of different guys in multiple rounds. I mean Mehdi Amar landed a bunch of clean right hands against him. Chilemba had at least one dominant round and a couple decent rounds against him. Same Chilemba that got washed by Bivol. And Chilemba didnít get KOed, he injured his hand. Karpency scored a knockdown. Stevenson landed one that wasnít scored.

And speaking of Stevenson, it took Gvozdyk a very long time to figure out a painfully one-dimensional old Stevenson. I mean, sure, itís a hell of a one-dimension. Long, fast, accurate, and powerful straight laser left hand. But Stevenson had nothing else to offer. He landed 2 right hands the whole fight, one jab and one hook, neither worth mentioning aside from that they were not lefts. And in spite of this, Gvozdyk did very little. He was waiting and waiting and doing close to nothing, and therefore down on the cards going into the 11th, despite Stevenson not doing a whole lot either. Gvozdyk is not Loma. He is not Usyk. He is not processing information the way they do. I say Beterbievís got the better boxing IQ, and I donít think itís all that close.

I added another half-size yesterday at +110. I was thinking of going even heavier, but then I watched the Kalajdzic fight and maybe Beterbiev is slowing down a bit with age. Heís still on the right side of 35 though, and I see him as at least a 60/40 favorite, maybe as high as 70/30 if age is not catching up to him. Iíve got 2.5 units total on Beterbiev."

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I'm gonna go with the trainers here, and I'm picking Gvozdyk by either late TKO or UD. I think Teddy Atlas will have Gvozdyk ready for anything Beterbiev brings to the table.
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