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Old 08-11-2019, 10:46 AM #1
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Default Boxing fans don't know how difficult it is to do what Lomachenko did...

Again, a gold medalist has lost early in his pro career... Robeisy Ramirez lost his pro debut, a 2x gold medalist to a fighter who was 4-2-2.

What boxing fans don't realise is how difficult it is for great amateurs to transition to the pro's. It's an entirely different game for some.
We have seen it time and time again with Zou Shiming, Frankie Gavin, Felix Diaz etc.

People say it's unimpressive that Lomachenko won a world title in his third fight because of all his amateur experience...but those guys are clueless. How many great amateurs can you name that did this? How many even stay on top?
Right, it's not alot.

Only the real special fighters can do such a thing. Robeisy Ramirez can come back, but I'm not confident about it.
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Old 08-11-2019, 11:07 AM #2
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Old 08-11-2019, 11:16 AM #3
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And he whooped Gary Russel who was one of the most highly touted prospects in boxing and is still champion to this day...L

He deserved another title shot after that farce of a Salido fight where he lost by SD
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Old 08-11-2019, 11:36 AM #4
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And he whooped Gary Russel who was one of the most highly touted prospects in boxing and is still champion to this day...L

He deserved another title shot after that farce of a Salido fight where he lost by SD
Bumchenko should thank Orlando Salidoe for losing the vacant WBO featherweight title on the scales too, otherwise he ( Bumchenko ) would of never fought Gary Russell nor become a 'world-champion' -- what a clown.
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Old 08-11-2019, 11:38 AM #5
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We know how difficult it can potentially fighters to transition to the pros. That's why Arum cherry picked some washed up battle-worn journeyman for Loma to face in his first few fights.

Unfortunately for Bob his new chosen one couldn't handle true Mexican style.
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Old 08-11-2019, 11:49 AM #6
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Again, a gold medalist has lost early in his pro career... Robeisy Ramirez lost his pro debut, a 2x gold medalist to a fighter who was 4-2-2.

What boxing fans don't realise is how difficult it is for great amateurs to transition to the pro's. It's an entirely different game for some.
We have seen it time and time again with Zou Shiming, Frankie Gavin, Felix Diaz etc.

People say it's unimpressive that Lomachenko won a world title in his third fight because of all his amateur experience...but those guys are clueless. How many great amateurs can you name that did this? How many even stay on top?
Right, it's not alot.

Only the real special fighters can do such a thing. Robeisy Ramirez can come back, but I'm not confident about it.
I agree with you in principle. Loma did have 6 quasi pro fights ( no head gear , 10 pt must system but counted as amateur as part of the AIBA) that didn’t count against his record. This wasn’t the case with Ramirez.

Loma is a great boxer but he lost fair and square. His promoter, the same as Ramirez’, put them in fights they were expected to win but they lost. Happens to a lot of newly turned pros.

Give Loma credit for his wins but let’s stop trying to excuse away the Salido loss or mitigate it. Salido was just the better man that night.
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Old 08-11-2019, 12:08 PM #7
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Loma will go undefeated unless he steps up in weight class. Id like to see the Tank fight though could be a barn burner.
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Old 08-11-2019, 12:22 PM #8
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I agree with you in principle. Loma did have 6 quasi pro fights ( no head gear , 10 pt must system but counted as amateur as part of the AIBA) that didn’t count against his record. This wasn’t the case with Ramirez.

Loma is a great boxer but he lost fair and square. His promoter, the same as Ramirez’, put them in fights they were expected to win but they lost. Happens to a lot of newly turned pros.

Give Loma credit for his wins but let’s stop trying to excuse away the Salido loss or mitigate it. Salido was just the better man that night.
They don't wear headgear in the olympics anymore.


Also, Ramirez fought in the WSB just like Loma did. He had more fights too as he fought with the Cubans for two seasons.
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I agree with you in principle. Loma did have 6 quasi pro fights ( no head gear , 10 pt must system but counted as amateur as part of the AIBA) that didnít count against his record. This wasnít the case with Ramirez.

Loma is a great boxer but he lost fair and square. His promoter, the same as Ramirezí, put them in fights they were expected to win but they lost. Happens to a lot of newly turned pros.

Give Loma credit for his wins but letís stop trying to excuse away the Salido loss or mitigate it. Salido was just the better man that night.
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They don't wear headgear in the olympics anymore.


Also, Ramirez fought in the WSB just like Loma did. He had more fights too as he fought with the Cubans for two seasons.

Yeah I just checked BoxRec. Ramirez had 16 WBSS fights. Another excuse struck down.
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Bumchenko should thank Orlando Salidoe for losing the vacant WBO featherweight title on the scales too, otherwise he ( Bumchenko ) would of never fought Gary Russell nor become a 'world-champion' -- what a clown.
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